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    probably better to just quit now. Pretend you got busy and stopped following the conversation.

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    It is hard to say on a basic operations level but my experience is private schools tend to employee much younger teachers that would be getting paid much less than older teachers. Older teachers don't want to deal with the atrocious helicoptering that sometimes comes with private schools.
    Or older teachers can't be fired.

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    The whole “I pay into taxes so I should get a tangible benefit” is ignoring how taxes work.

    I’m completely ok with defunding private schools and using it as a wealth transfer tool. That being said, I’d never send my kids to a private school. I’m ok with them turning out “normal”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98brg2d View Post
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    It is hard to say on a basic operations level but my experience is private schools tend to employee much younger teachers that would be getting paid much less than older teachers. Older teachers don't want to deal with the atrocious helicoptering that sometimes comes with private schools.
    I'm not completely clear on the details, but my understanding is there is a clear divergence when a teacher starts their career - those that choose the public system stay there, to maintain their ATA pension and seniority, while those that start in the private system tend to stay there, rather than moving to the public system, only to start at the bottom rung.

    My wife has several friends that are teachers, we've also become close friends with a teacher at our school (whose husband teaches in the public system), and a good friend's parents were both teachers (also one in public, one in private) so we tend to get a lot of anecdotes about the goings-on of teacher life. I understand that their experiences will vary based on any given class, in any given year, but there seems to be a pretty clear consensus that the pressures of tending to ~15 students & parents with heightened expectations are better than dealing with ~30+++ students & parents with a range of expectations from full-on "helicoptering" to indifference at a level of "what school does my kid go to?". The recent budget changes will only amplify the situation of public school teachers.

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    Either way, and no matter what I think about school administration, I will say that I fully commend anyone who chooses the teaching profession because it's incredibly important, and the teachers I have dealt with are (mostly) all really dedicated and caring people.

    Have only run into one that had clearly "checked out", and that's out of more than a dozen now.
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    It's never the teachers. They're mostly great.

    Maybe someone could explain the impenetrable morass that is the CBE administration.

    Also, principals are the ones that allocates monies from their budget for the school, so here's hoping they know what they're doing. * cough *

    I will say that my wife has a temp job right now with the CBE, and boy, they are not well run at all in any sense of the word.

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    It's never the teachers. They're mostly great.

    Maybe someone could explain the impenetrable morass that is the CBE administration.

    Also, principals are the ones that allocates monies from their budget for the school, so here's hoping they know what they're doing. * cough *

    I will say that my wife has a temp job right now with the CBE, and boy, they are not well run at all in any sense of the word.
    Yea getting a peak under the skirt of that organization is incredibly eye opening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Yea getting a peak under the skirt of that organization is incredibly eye opening.
    The teachers at her school aren't even worried about any potential layoffs. The CBE does what they always do: retire out some old teachers and draw cheap teachers from the sub pool.

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    Also, principals are the ones that allocates monies from their budget for the school, so here's hoping they know what they're doing. * cough *
    The principals are in a funny situation, they are generally top-level teachers who needed that promotion to get a pay raise, but then they need to do managerial and executive type work, with zero experience in that field. Some/most of them have an MBA, but often it's the first real managerial position they've held in their lives.

    No private company would have a system like this.
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    The principals are in a funny situation, they are generally top-level teachers who needed that promotion to get a pay raise, but then they need to go managerial and executive type work, with zero exprereince in that field. Some/Most of them have an MBA, but often it's the first real managerial position they've held in their lives.

    No private company would have a system like this.
    I picked my neighbourhood based on the quality of the public elementary school. Before my first child reached school age, the old, experienced and skilled principal retired and the school tanked under the leadership of a new principal. She lasted about three years and a new principal was brought on last school year and no turn around is yet evident (anecdotes from other parents seem to indicate it has gotten worse, although nobody is quite sure how that was possible). I have a nearly-neighbour that actually had to pull their child out due to physical abuse from an autistic student that the school refused to address. Not simply address it insufficiently or below their satisfaction level but completely not address. I have heard from numerous teachers that the principal makes or breaks the school and I get to hear the stories and cringe, and be thankful that my kids are not at that school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    No private company would have a system like this.
    Happens all the time. The Peter Principle isn't limited to the public sector. The public sector is dominated by the Dilbert Principle anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    The principals are in a funny situation, they are generally top-level teachers who needed that promotion to get a pay raise, but then they need to do managerial and executive type work, with zero experience in that field. Some/most of them have an MBA, but often it's the first real managerial position they've held in their lives.

    No private company would have a system like this.
    TIL most school principals have MBA’s?

    Sounds like fake news to me. Except for that guy who was running my wife’s school and was siphoning money off on the side, he definitely knew what he was doing.
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    Maybe not most? I don't have any statistics for that. Anecdotally I do know one senior teacher who is getting her mba as a path to being a principal.
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    I'd say it's fairly rare. The principals at the schools near me all taught Social Studies.

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    MBA for a principal seems like it would be exceptionally rare... On the flip side, I know quite a few teachers that have or are doing their master's in education, several of whom already are, or are targeting to be, (vice) / principals...

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    Yea from what I understand MEd is much more common for principals
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    Yea from what I understand MEd is much more common for principals
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    I'd like to publicly apologize for the misinformation. I had a conversation with my teacher pal and I was totally incorrect. They are NOT getting an MBA. They have two bachelors and are getting thier M.Ed.

    Fuck I was so certain, and so wrong.
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    Hahaha I was being a bit of a dick about it.

    The MEd route is something I have considered with my wife because I think she would do a much better job with the overall planning and coordination of things than spending her day telling kids not to eat each other’s bandaids.
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