Alberta 2019 Provincial Election

[dubhead]

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Zero evidence of any of this. At most, people dying less may be true. Even the Vancouver sites have specifically said this. Lower costs? Negligible at best.

All lies, as is usual. You want help? Here you go, detox and rehab center in the middle of nowhere, submit to our rules. Don't like it? Go die in a gutter.

Do you just choose to deny research that you are to stupid to understand? It's pretty widely documented that harm reduction saves both peoples suffering and money. Go die in a gutter? You're are completely heartless piece of shit. If there's anyone who should lose their right to vote in this thread it is you who just follows the bandwagon and has no desire to ever use critical thinking skills to look past your simpleton black and white view of the world.

[gwill]

massive increase in polling numbers. Almost 150,000 people voted on day one. Day one in 2015 had 58,000 cast a ballot in advance.

Curious to read the commentary in what this means. Voter turn out seems crazy high for an advance poll. How will the momentum continue over the next few days??

Cant wait for the election to be over!

[lasimmon]

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massive increase in polling numbers. Almost 150,000 people voted on day one. Day one in 2015 had 58,000 cast a ballot in advance.

Curious to read the commentary in what this means. Voter turn out seems crazy high for an advance poll. How will the momentum continue over the next few days??

Cant wait for the election to be over!

Almost all my friends have voted already because of the new vote anywhere rule. Voting during work hours is much better than spending your own time.

[Misterman]

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Bro you gots some reading to do.

Ok so I've formed an opinion from reading, but according to you I haven't read enough or the right material. Instead of this elusive ad hominem, would you care to elaborate on what specifically biased material you feel I should be reading?

[colinxx235]

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Ok so I've formed an opinion from reading, but according to you I haven't read enough or the right material. Instead of this elusive ad hominem, would you care to elaborate on what specifically biased material you feel I should be reading?

I don't know what readings to direct you to, but your comment on the previous page was extremely ignorant and incorrect.

A close family friend had a major accident, was prescribed Oxy. He was in his early 60s, very successful great guy. He STRUGGLED like no other after the pills and was addicted. Had to check himself into rehab thankfully before he did like many did and turn to hard drugs to replace that feeling. That is what a few months of Oxy did.

Try not to paint everyone with the same brush when dealing with drug addictions. Hell I was given 12 pills of Oxy after a surgery, I felt fucking weird for a good few days after they were used up and had none left.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Thread title: "Alberta Provincial Election"
Discussion: Safe injection sites in a different province and opioid issues.
Profit.

[Misterman]

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I don't know what readings to direct you to, but your comment on the previous page was extremely ignorant and incorrect.

A close family friend had a major accident, was prescribed Oxy. He was in his early 60s, very successful great guy. He STRUGGLED like no other after the pills and was addicted. Had to check himself into rehab thankfully before he did like many did and turn to hard drugs to replace that feeling. That is what a few months of Oxy did.

Try not to paint everyone with the same brush when dealing with drug addictions. Hell I was given 12 pills of Oxy after a surgery, I felt fucking weird for a good few days after they were used up and had none left.

Ok this is a different issue you're commenting on.

I don't paint everyone with the same brush, as I said "Generally". And your one personal experience doesn't seem to discredit anything I said anyway.

[R-Audi]

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It wasn't that long ago Central Memorial Park wasn't a place people really went because of all the needles and addicts around (which came after people not wanting to go there because they didn't want people thinking they were gay, since it was a popular hook-up spot in the 70s and 80s). 1st St SW was also a blight and that carried over towards the Stampede Grounds (which is an ongoing process to fix). The revitilization of 1st Street, more people moving to the Beltline, and the park renovation started making it a more public place again, but the junkies never really left that part of town. The Chumir safe injection site didn't bring all these people to the area, they put the safe injection site at the Chumir because that's where the people who needed it are. It's just now they're more concentrated around the one spot instead of spread out among all the alleys and streets, and there's actually people around to be bothered by it (which wasn't so much the case in the 90s and 00s). Putting safe injection sites in the middle of nowhere might keep the neighbors happy, but what good can they if nobody will use them?

I lived a few blocks away from Central Memorial Park for some 6 years and it was NEVER as bad as it is today. We walked through the park every thursday/saturday on the way to the Drum and Monkey (RIP) and never had any issues. There may have been the odd prostitute but certainly not the mass of meth/crack heads roaming around.. especially in the middle of the day.

[A790]

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WHY do I bother click Show Quote with you bro. So angry and everyone sucks but you still, hey? Unfortunate.]

I don't know why people voluntarily engage Angry Adam.

[msommers]

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[EM2FTL]

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I don't know why people voluntarily engage Angry Adam.

I did for years (maybe 7-8 years ago when 780tuners was still around) and nothing has changed in his argumentative style from what I've seen here. Since that time though i've chilled out on trying to change people's political mindsets on a car forum and just put him on ignore. It's nice.

[A790]

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I did for years (maybe 7-8 years ago when 780tuners was still around) and nothing has changed in his argumentative style from what I've seen here. Since that time though i've chilled out on trying to change people's political mindsets on a car forum and just put him on ignore. It's nice.

Yea I know the feeling. I don't bother going there since I've noticed he tends to be pedantic and can't resist being an asshole in his posts. Meh.

[Xtrema]

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I lived a few blocks away from Central Memorial Park for some 6 years and it was NEVER as bad as it is today. We walked through the park every thursday/saturday on the way to the Drum and Monkey (RIP) and never had any issues. There may have been the odd prostitute but certainly not the mass of meth/crack heads roaming around.. especially in the middle of the day.

I agree. I work in the area and yes the safe injection site gotta move into area that has lower property value.

While ground 0 is at Central Memorial, the property damages within 7-8 block radius has increased 10 folds over the last 2 years. There is a reason 17th ave business are leaving.

Alpha house by Elbow casino is only 4 block east and right off Stampede station. I don't know why they can't turn that into safe injection site there. They already serve similar clientele.

Original intention is for Fentenyl users but meth head took over and they are way more violent and damaging to the area.

[HiTempguy1]

Clearly the post was hyperbole and over the top. It was to express my incredulity at how lacking some people are in even the remotest of critical thinking skills. To suggest I'm angry or actually upset is typical Cam, obfuscate and not actually argue the topic at hand.

I went to the advance polls. It was great. Can't wait for the NDP to be kicked out and for the UCP to come in and squash all the progressive dreams. Brings a tear of joy to my eye.

[Stuart]

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Clearly the post was hyperbole and over the top. It was to express my incredulity at how lacking some people are in even the remotest of critical thinking skills. To suggest I'm angry or actually upset is typical Cam, obfuscate and not actually argue the topic at hand.

I went to the advance polls. It was great. Can't wait for the NDP to be kicked out and for the UCP to come in and squash all the progressive dreams. Brings a tear of joy to my eye.

Cant wait for 4 year from now when you are telling everybody how bad the UCP is and that we should all listen to you on who to vote for next.

[HiTempguy1]

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Cant wait for 4 year from now when you are telling everybody how bad the UCP is and that we should all listen to you on who to vote for next.

I still maintain it was the right choice at the end of the day, to decimate the PC party (and I don't know if the Wildrose was the right party to replace them). Maybe I'll always be unhappy with Alberta parties? But at least federally, I was not unhappy with the Harper Conservatives, so clearly there is a way to please my ideological bent in a way that is acceptable to a majority of Canadians.

[killramos]

My question on the whole “ it was worth it to decimate the PC Party” thing. Is was it? Tens of billions of debt, hundred some thousands of jobs lost. Massive uncertainty that drove investment out of the province. I see that as a big price to pay, which we are the ones who paid it, to teach them a lesson.

And really hinges on if you think the new UCP can govern so much better now as to make up for the last 4 years of scorched earth that the province had to endure.

Maybe a bit sensationalist but in hindsight I am really not that sure that the benefits outweighed the cost here.

[Brent.ff]

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My question on the whole “ it was worth it to decimate the PC Party” thing. Is was it? Tens of billions of debt, hundred some thousands of jobs lost. Massive uncertainty that drove investment out of the province. I see that as a big price to pay, which we are the ones who paid it, to teach them a lesson.

And really hinges on if you think the new UCP can govern so much better now as to make up for the last 4 years of scorched earth that the province had to endure.

Maybe a bit sensationalist but in hindsight I am really not that sure that the benefits outweighed the cost here.

Do you think if the UCP had been in, there would have been a change to O&G job losses?

[HiTempguy1]

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Maybe a bit sensationalist but in hindsight I am really not that sure that the benefits outweighed the cost here.

I think if we looked at it in the light of Alberta was screwed federally anyways, we'd be in a better, but not an incredibly better position then where we are at now. The PCs spent money like crazy. We wouldn't have the UCP (likely) if the NDP never happened. With proportional rep voting, the NDP would never have won either. Thats not a statement in support of prop rep, just a fact.

And there were serious issues with the PC party. They were going to bring a PST in (Alberta carbon tax amounted to 2% PST equivalence if you use the total revenue generated).

In my case specifically, they tried to unfairly destroy my pension for nonsensical/BS reasons. And Prentice saying "look in the mirror"? Fuck that guy. I'd love to meet him face to face, that pile of garbage had control over finances, its why he was voted in, so don't give me that crap.

So overall, I think it was worth it. We needed 4 years of complete and utter shit to usher in another 50+ years of conservative control.

Don't get me wrong. I certainly bought into some ideas, in theory, the NDP promoted (tax revenue generation). But I've now realized how thoroughly incompetent gov is and they should have as little money as possible. And everyone else should know that now. 4 years is a lot of learning time for a young-ish guy, the amount of papers, analysis, and even simply newsworthy events has really shown me some truths I wasn't sure about.

[killramos]

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Do you think if the UCP had been in, there would have been a change to O&G job losses?

I think people forget what things were like for the first year or 2 of NDP and the kind of BS they were pulling.

Carbon Tax, Royalty Reviews, increase in corporate taxation, etc. All of these things contributed to job losses above and beyond the prevailing economic conditions.

So yes. I believe if the WR or PC’s were in instead of the NDP there would have been a change in job losses.