Well you missed the point then, sorry if I wasn't clear - if you go back and re-read you will see that the 10 minutes you see on google maps does not take into account lights (which are particularly bad going East/West), and my comparison was simply to show that going a significantly shorter distance in the same direction on all the same major roads takes me ~15 minutes. I didn't mention anything about 17th ave, not sure where you got that from.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote