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    Quote Originally Posted by D'z Nutz View Post
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    I have a feeling they're going to push this through regardless of what that people have to say.
    I also suspect so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D'z Nutz View Post
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    I have a feeling they're going to push this through regardless of what that people have to say.
    Has council ever voted no to spending money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D'z Nutz View Post
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    I have a feeling they're going to push this through regardless of what that people have to say.
    I know. It sucks man. Not a fan of it. Gonna ruin my nice view. Time to move to Aspen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'z Nutz View Post
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    I have a feeling they're going to push this through regardless of what that people have to say.
    Sounds like it from Nenshi's interview this morning.

    That said, I think the longer we drag it out, the more it would cost. So let's get it over with and get some people working.
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    +1 to council voting to just push it through.

    Green line needs to be built, but they need to build the portion north under Centre Street up to 16th underground. Even their fancy idealistic non-realistic renderings make the at-grade option look like a cramped cluster.

    Edit: Just thinking about how much more congested the Centre and 16th intersection is going to be after the train goes in compared to present day terrifies me. It's already bad enough at PM rush hour during non-COVID times, usually takes me 15-20 mins to get from the Bow to 16th with traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D'z Nutz View Post
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    I have a feeling they're going to push this through regardless of what that people have to say.
    Has anything ever happened in a different way? My understanding has always been that polling the public, having neighborhood meetings, etc. was purely theater and the city just does what it was always going to do regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyra1ax View Post
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    Edit: Just thinking about how much more congested the Centre and 16th intersection is going to be after the train goes in compared to present day terrifies me. It's already bad enough at PM rush hour during non-COVID times, usually takes me 15-20 mins to get from the Bow to 16th with traffic.
    I don't go on centre except for lunch excursion to Sun's or Central Grand with the team. But COVID seems to put the kibosh on that for the foreseeable future, they may as well get the damn track built ASAP.

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    Probably a stupid question and even more expensive but would a raised train be cheaper than a underground train to go up centre st? Drop center from 4 lanes to 3 lanes to make space for the supports for the tracks. The middle lane can still alternate directions for rush hour traffic.

    Not ideal but it'd be better than center losing 2 lanes (i assume the current design reduces it by 2? I haven't really looked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonytiger55 View Post
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    Who owns the Commonsense Calgary site?
    Could be Jim Gray, seen here:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-lrt-1.5591591
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Probably a stupid question and even more expensive but would a raised train be cheaper than a underground train to go up centre st? Drop center from 4 lanes to 3 lanes to make space for the supports for the tracks. The middle lane can still alternate directions for rush hour traffic.

    Not ideal but it'd be better than center losing 2 lanes (i assume the current design reduces it by 2? I haven't really looked)
    Well, if you look at the original route, running thru Edmonton trail sounds like a way less disruption option than centre.

    But I guess running thru centre hit more commercial spaces so it may bring more traffic to those stores.

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    Running through Center Street will disrupt traffic enough to make people change their minds about driving, and take the train instead.

    You know, when there's jobs downtown to be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    It's gonna be a mess however they do it tbh ... but I'd still rather them build it than not as we do need more trains for transit for the long term growth of the city.
    You're assuming the city is going to continue to experience steady growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjblair View Post
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    You're assuming the city is going to continue to experience steady growth.
    WFH and 30% office vacancy. Just do the south leg and everyone else just find a way DT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    WFH and 30% office vacancy. Just do the south leg and everyone else just find a way DT.
    If Calgary Transit didn't make downtown the hub for every one of its lines, I would agree. To get to the University (Red line) From any Blue line train, you have to switch trains downtown.To get to the Airport, you have to go downtown first and catch a bus, or go to Westwinds station (I Think) and catch a bus. That means switching from what ever to a blue line train. We don't have a system like other developed cities that have multiple lines hitting multiple stations at multiple points so that all trains don't have to converge on the core. Our BRT Lanes that were built should have been train lines to remove some of the reliance of the core as a hub for rapid transit, but we didn't do that. Arguably, this is the best time to be building and doing maintenance on infrastructure on the municipal, provincial and national levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300havoc View Post
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    If Calgary Transit didn't make downtown the hub for every one of its lines, I would agree. To get to the University (Red line) From any Blue line train, you have to switch trains downtown.To get to the Airport, you have to go downtown first and catch a bus, or go to Westwinds station (I Think) and catch a bus. That means switching from what ever to a blue line train. We don't have a system like other developed cities that have multiple lines hitting multiple stations at multiple points so that all trains don't have to converge on the core. Our BRT Lanes that were built should have been train lines to remove some of the reliance of the core as a hub for rapid transit, but we didn't do that. Arguably, this is the best time to be building and doing maintenance on infrastructure on the municipal, provincial and national levels.
    See that’s what Calgary really needs. Is another Ring Road (Rail).
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    I think a transit corridor along the east side would be very sensible. New c-train purple line:
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    As for the green line, apparently "one good line" is the catchphrase for everyone who's following my idea of building the south leg to downtown and not even crossing the bow River
    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...-dec2faff6dfc/

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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300havoc View Post
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    If Calgary Transit didn't make downtown the hub for every one of its lines, I would agree. To get to the University (Red line) From any Blue line train, you have to switch trains downtown.To get to the Airport, you have to go downtown first and catch a bus, or go to Westwinds station (I Think) and catch a bus. That means switching from what ever to a blue line train. We don't have a system like other developed cities that have multiple lines hitting multiple stations at multiple points so that all trains don't have to converge on the core. Our BRT Lanes that were built should have been train lines to remove some of the reliance of the core as a hub for rapid transit, but we didn't do that. Arguably, this is the best time to be building and doing maintenance on infrastructure on the municipal, provincial and national levels.
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    I think a transit corridor along the east side would be very sensible. New c-train purple line:
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    We don't have the population density to support such a model. Looking at ridership data, the majority of the trips are from suburbs to downtown, which is why downtown hub model is the only ideal model for us. You're right, it does make it much more difficult to travel around, requiring switching trains/busses. That problem exists in major metropolitan transit systems as well. NY, London, HK (where I've used transit) most trips require switching trains. Just more inconvenient for us as we have to switch to busses.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens post pandemic, if downtown even recovers. Lots of companies are realizing WFH does work and saves on a ton of costs. If this becomes accepted practice moving forward, transportation will need a complete new rethink from transit to even personal cars.
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    We don't have the population density to support such a model. Looking at ridership data, the majority of the trips are from suburbs to downtown, which is why downtown hub model is the only ideal model for us. You're right, it does make it much more difficult to travel around, requiring switching trains/busses. That problem exists in major metropolitan transit systems as well. NY, London, HK (where I've used transit) most trips require switching trains. Just more inconvenient for us as we have to switch to busses.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens post pandemic, if downtown even recovers. Lots of companies are realizing WFH does work and saves on a ton of costs. If this becomes accepted practice moving forward, transportation will need a complete new rethink from transit to even personal cars.
    Don't the MAX buses also solve the cross travel between trains? I thought that was the whole concept, so be able to skip past downtown to the other lines if necessary.

    Though waiting for a bus isn't as great as waiting for a train.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    We don't have the population density to support such a model. Looking at ridership data, the majority of the trips are from suburbs to downtown, which is why downtown hub model is the only ideal model for us. You're right, it does make it much more difficult to travel around, requiring switching trains/busses. That problem exists in major metropolitan transit systems as well. NY, London, HK (where I've used transit) most trips require switching trains. Just more inconvenient for us as we have to switch to busses.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens post pandemic, if downtown even recovers. Lots of companies are realizing WFH does work and saves on a ton of costs. If this becomes accepted practice moving forward, transportation will need a complete new rethink from transit to even personal cars.
    I agree that we aren't big enough or dense enough. I also don't argue that having a "Ring line" is stupid in Calgary. I don't mind switching trains to get to a destination, it goes without saying that unless you live right on the correct line you have to change trains/busses at some point. The "Hub and Spoke" Rapid transit model is the most efficient for us. What I don't agree with is equating the worth of the green line solely to the core based on offices/vacancy in the core. Yes, downtown workforce ridership is important, but so is general ridership to other areas of the city that currently has to pass through the core to get to any other destination. We know that the train travel is faster than busses, because it has right of way when it comes to at-grade crossings and isn't bothered by traffic, so why wouldn't we have a few more branch lines so that communities can bus from their area to a closer train station? I guess I just believe that busses should be the start and / or the end of the trip, with the train being the tool used to rapidly move people from one section of the city to another.

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