Scheer is out...who's next?

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I dont think we in Canada have been 'indoctrinated' with the Marxists notions the last few decades - but there is a large pushback now against these ideologies by the silent, non vocal majority who go to work and/or raise their 2.1 kids. We are tired of the mass media telling us to be offended at someone who dare speak common sense (like Jordan Peterson).

Whats happened is that we as a society have evolved naturally to being allowed more freedoms (eg. from the 1950s onward) and choices - and when these freedoms/choices are removed, its a problem.

Point of reference - in Europe during AD 500 -1000 (something along those lines) it was acceptable to put down (even healthy) newborns that weren't baptized yet.

[duaner]

Lol to the anonymous negative rep comment: "Keep your drivel in church"

Do you have the guts to discuss this or is this all you got? I have said nothing about church nor is what I've said exclusive to those who are religious. There are all types on all sides of this discussion.

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I dont think we in Canada have been 'indoctrinated' with the Marxists notions the last few decades - but there is a large pushback now against these ideologies by the silent, non vocal majority who go to work and/or raise their 2.1 kids. We are tired of the mass media telling us to be offended at someone who dare speak common sense (like Jordan Peterson).

Whats happened is that we as a society have evolved naturally to being allowed more freedoms (eg. from the 1950s onward) and choices - and when these freedoms/choices are removed, its a problem.

I certainly agree that once these freedoms and choices are removed, or threatened to be removed, it's a problem. But at least some of these freedoms are harmful to society.

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Point of reference - in Europe during AD 500 -1000 (something along those lines) it was acceptable to put down (even healthy) newborns that weren't baptized yet.

Interesting. I haven't heard of that before. Genuinely curious if you can dig up a reference.

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I certainly agree that once these freedoms and choices are removed, or threatened to be removed, it's a problem. But at least some of these freedoms are harmful to society.



Interesting. I haven't heard of that before. Genuinely curious if you can dig up a reference.

Ah but in context "some of these freedoms are harmful to society" - for eg. late term abortion, definitely cause no harm to existing society. And there in lies the choice - you can CHOOSE not to partake in abortion (or drugs, etc.).

And the baptism was in some old historical annal I read years ago. Its definitely not that out of place though as many locations around the world used to kill children, before abortion and birth control was available. There was only enough sustenance for a small family in many cases.

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Ah but in context "some of these freedoms are harmful to society" - for eg. late term abortion, definitely cause no harm to existing society. And there in lies the choice - you can CHOOSE not to partake in abortion (or drugs, etc.).

Well, I must respectfully disagree. If abortion is murder, then it most definitely is harmful to society that we allow the murder of the most defenseless and vulnerable persons of our society. That is about as bad as a society can get. Not to mention the number of potential geniuses, world leaders, scientists, etc., that could have potentially benefited society had they been allowed to live. Consider if Wilberforce, MLK, Gandhi, or any other of countless historical figures had been aborted how that would have impacted society. And to do it to turn a profit...

Anyway, I was thinking broader than that. We give people the right to choose to smoke, do drugs, or eat whatever they want, but look at the harm it does to society--the monetary cost, the emotional and psychological harm it can do to the person and those around them, etc. Not that I am necessarily arguing we shouldn't allow people to choose those things (although I do think smoking should be banned), but just pointing out that allowing people to have certain choices can have negative consequences for society. We could also consider pornography...

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And the baptism was in some old historical annal I read years ago. Its definitely not that out of place though as many locations around the world used to kill children, before abortion and birth control was available. There was only enough sustenance for a small family in many cases.

That would have been an interesting read. I'll have to do some Googling. Yeah, even Greco-Roman society used to abandon or kill unwanted babies. It was Christians that started to save the babies, hence the founding of orphanages. Abortificants were available back then, although I'm not sure effective they were.


I have completely lost faith in politicians and the political system in Canada. It's an exercise in futility. Every party is going to do what they want to do, regardless of what their constituents think. Out West, we have no say anyway. As far as PC leadership, I just hope MacKay doesn't get in. Lewis might be best to drain the swamp but I wouldn't bet on it if she gets in.

[tirebob]

Is it possible to inject little humour into the abortion debate? I'm not sure... I sometimes have a hard time reading a room...

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Is it possible to inject little humour into the abortion debate? I'm not sure... I sometimes have a hard time reading a room...

Lololololol

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No brain = no consciousness = not a person. A bundle of cells is not yet a person and does not have the same rights as a person. Therefore, abortion is not murder unless the bundle of cells has graduated into a conscious being.

Interesting, so.you agree with most conservatives that after 4-5 months, abortions should be illegal as a baby can survive outside the womb at that point.

Unless you believe consciousness starts at literal birth. Which would be such a completely against logic opinion to have that you couldn't possibly believe that, could you?

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Unless you believe consciousness starts at literal birth. Which would be such a completely against logic opinion to have that you couldn't possibly believe that, could you?

[CompletelyNumb]

Hook line and sinker

[Buster]

This thread makes me think we haven't been doing enough abortions.

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Well, I must respectfully disagree. If abortion is murder, then it most definitely is harmful to society that we allow the murder of the most defenseless and vulnerable persons of our society. That is about as bad as a society can get. Not to mention the number of potential geniuses, world leaders, scientists, etc., that could have potentially benefited society had they been allowed to live. Consider if Wilberforce, MLK, Gandhi, or any other of countless historical figures had been aborted how that would have impacted society. And to do it to turn a profit...
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You are making an emotional argument against the right to have a choice. This is another example of how both sides, cannot accept that more freedom is the greater good - from the perverse PC culture of the left to the abortion debate from the right.

I would argue from an emotional position that woman/family who does not want a child (ie. wants an abortion but is denied) may make as little attempt as possible to care for said child and then the child has a good chance of becoming a problem for society.

[dirtsniffer]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbo...f_Violence_Act

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Even if they are just a burger flipper, they can still make common sense decisions based on the advise of their staffers - which is all the position is (or should be).

More power to the Gerald Butts of the world, I guess.

The relationship between the Civil Service and the Government is the main conflict point in Yes, Minister

[max_boost]

We just need two sets of rules/laws/punishments like in those other countries.

Whatever party you identify with are the laws you’re subjected to lol

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We just need two sets of rules/laws/punishments like in those other countries.

Whatever party you identify with are the laws you’re subjected to lol

Thats kind of in line with whats happening in the states - business and people leaving california for eg. to places where they are more welcome.

If you want to stay in a socialist paradise, by all means stay and watch the party or peaceful protests unfold.

[duaner]

Lol to another anonymous rep comment: "crying about neg rep makes you stupid and a pussy"

Because you failed at comprehension, my beef isn't with a negative rep. I really, really don't care one iota about reps, positive or negative. It was clearly the fact that a user, or some users, are using the anonymity to make statements that they are too cowardly to make in the thread or DM. I am more than willing to have open, civil, rational discussion about these issues but you, and possibly someone else, would rather remain anonymous so that you don't have to defend what you say. And that is the irony with both points in this comment.


Is it Saturday that the final count should be in and we find out who replaces Scheer?

[Buster]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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Lol to another anonymous rep comment: "crying about neg rep makes you stupid and a pussy"

Because you failed at comprehension, my beef isn't with a negative rep. I really, really don't care one iota about reps, positive or negative. It was clearly the fact that a user, or some users, are using the anonymity to make statements that they are too cowardly to make in the thread or DM. I am more than willing to have open, civil, rational discussion about these issues but you, and possibly someone else, would rather remain anonymous so that you don't have to defend what you say. And that is the irony with both points in this comment.

They literally are, just pussies. 'HOW DARE YOU OFFEND ME - I SHALL SHAKE A FIST AT YOU, ANONYMOUSLY'

[JRSC00LUDE]

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snippety

I don't debate you because your and my biases aren't compatible, it'll be a futile exercise.

Funny how people can't just accept that and carry on with life.