michael moore campaigns against harper

[googe]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...dex.php?id=192

[Khyron]

There are ways at the polls to have your voices heard other than throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Too bad the only thing the Fed liberals will understand is a full ejection of most of their members. They can come back in 4 years.

Khyron

[Toma]

NICE! and a good read.... I love that guy

[Toma]

These are no ordinary times, and as you go to the polls on Monday, you do so while a man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest?

[handsomebassman]

Bush = Cunt

Harper will NOT be getting my vote.

[2002civic]

fuck i hate moore..half the shit he says is not true or the time frame is scewed in his favor

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by 2002civic
fuck i hate moore..half the shit he says is not true or the time frame is scewed in his favor

He backs up all of his statements with facts on his website.

But im curious as to how you came to your conclusion. Feel free to post untrue things that he's been saying. Id really like to hear it.

salt is to an open wound as moore is to your beliefs (im guessing)

[2002civic]

well id dig up my notes form my first year class but there in a box in the basement, my prof had about 2 pages of criticisms against him but i could care less im just stating my opinion just as you said bush is a count with no evidence..

[retro-steve]

yet another Michael Moore twisted slander campaign. all this guy does is attack little things like gay marriage and natives and fails to mention the broken promises and scandals that have plauged the liberal party for over a decade. saying canada will be another "bush conquest" is utterly rediculous!!! seriously people, this is bush's second term, he was re-elected in 2004, it's 2006 which means that he only has 2 years and then he gets the boot. if everyone in america really hates bush that much i doubt you'll see another republican in the whitehouse after the next election. so whoopdeedo! we have 2 years of possibly becoming "america jr." (although i see no problem with adopting some US ideals) and then there'll be a democrat in the whitehouse and we've got ideal differences between canadian and the US government.

another funny thing is how much bush is blamed for everything, the president is mostly a figure head. did you know that the prime minister of canada has far more power than the president of the united states? bush isn't this overlord of america all the slanderers and fear mongering bastards like moore make him out to be.

maybe you guys should take a second to think about something...why do you hate americans so much? why do you hate their ideals? i'm guessing the majority of you here are middle class, did you know that being middle class in america you'd actually have a better lifestyle? less taxation, health insurance covered by most of your employers, lots of cheaper goods (cars for one). the dollar there gets you more, think about where you are now in the social ladder, if you moved one peg up that would be your lifestyle in that horrible, crazy backwards redneck country. i've met very few americans who have to say bad things about canadians, we are so much in common, so why do you hate them? is it because our economies need eachother? is it because they're our closest ally? is it because we have the world's longest unprotected boarder between our two countries? so why don't we get off our beardo high horses and realize that we are on the same page as most americans, like it or not they already have a huge influence on our culture (media) and, quite frankly, i think we could learn from their financial mistakes to make canada quite the superpower in the global economy.

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by 2002civic
well id dig up my notes form my first year class but there in a box in the basement, my prof had about 2 pages of criticisms against him but i could care less im just stating my opinion just as you said bush is a count with no evidence..

Want proof hes a cunt?

If you were one of these women, you would understand.
http://www.meetwithcindy.org/gsfp/GS05-107.mov

Or maybe give this a look.
http://outsiderzero.tripod.com/terror.html


Or give these a read. I got a direct link for you if youd like (theres much much more)

AMERICA DISAPPROVES

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, November 11-13, 2005

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

63% Disapprove | 35% Approve

Newsweek Poll, November 10-11, 2005

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

65% Disapprove | 30% Approve

AP/Ipsos Poll, November 7-9, 2005

When it comes to Iraq, do you approve or disapprove or have mixed feelings about the way George W. Bush is handling that issue?

62% Disapprove | 36% Approve

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, November 4-7, 2005

"In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that George W. Bush is doing in handling the situation in Iraq?"

64% Disapprove | 32% Approve

ABC News/Washington Post Poll, October 30 - November 2, 2005

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

64% Disapprove | 36% Approve

CBS News Poll, October 30 - November 1, 2005

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"

62% Disapprove | 32% Approve

THE WAR WAS A MISTAKE

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, November 11-13, 2005

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

54% Made a mistake | 45% Did not make a mistake

CBS News Poll, October 30 - November 1, 2005

"Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?"

50% Should have stayed out | 42% Did right thing

THE WAR WASN'T WORTH IT

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, November 11-13, 2005

"All in all, do you think it was worth going to war in Iraq, or not?"

60% Not worth going to war | 38% Worth going to war

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, November 4-7, 2005

"When it comes to the war in Iraq, do you think that removing Saddam Hussein from power was or was not worth the number of U.S. military casualties and the financial cost of the war?"

52% Not worth it | 40% worth it

ABC News/Washington Post Poll, October 30 - November 2, 2005

"All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?"

60% Not worth fighting | 39% Worth fighting

CBS News Poll, October 30 - November 1, 2005

"Do you think the result of the war with Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs of attacking Iraq, or not?"

64% Not worth it | 31% Worth it

THE BASTARDS LIED

Newsweek Poll, November 10-11, 2005

"Do you think Dick Cheney deliberately misused or manipulated pre-war intelligence about Iraq's nuclear capabilities in order to build support for war with Iraq, or did not deliberately misuse pre-war intelligence?"

52% Misused | 33% Did not misuse

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, November 4-7, 2005

"Do you think President Bush gave the country the most accurate information he had before going to war with Iraq, or do you think President Bush deliberately misled people to make the case for war with Iraq?"

57% Misled | 35% Most accurate

Pew Research Center Poll, November 3-6, 2005

"Before the war the U.S. and Britain claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. These weapons have not been found. Why do you think they made this claim? Was it mostly because they were themselves misinformed by bad intelligence, or was it mostly because they lied to provide a reason for invading Iraq?"

43% They lied | 41% They were misinformed

ABC News/Washington Post Poll, October 30 - November 2, 2005

"In making its case for war with Iraq, do you think the Bush Administration told the American public what it believed to be true, or intentionally misled the American public?"

55% Intentionally misled | 44% What it believed to be true



I can go on forever buddy

[l8braker]

I enjoyed his movies, but I don't agree with him here at all.

[Bill Cosby]

michael moore is wicked

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by retro-steve
. did you know that the prime minister of canada has far more power than the president of the united states?

Wrongo buddy, research both political systems.

Originally posted by retro-steve .why do you hate americans so much? why do you hate their ideals? i'm guessing the majority of you here are middle class, did you know that being middle class in america you'd actually have a better lifestyle? less taxation, health insurance covered by most of your employers, lots of cheaper goods (cars for one). [/B]

Nobody here hates americans. Most of us love americans, and feel bad for the bad leadership they have had over the past six years, and all the people who have died, and the families who have suffered as a result.

At least when clinton was in office, america wasnt the laughing stock of the nation.

My grandparents (dads side) live in london, and are always emailing me about how they have made fun of the president of the united states TODAY on the news.

I just feel bad for the poor americans who have no voice. Whos votes get cut off, who dont recieve almost any money from the government, AND THE GUYS LIKE YOU AND ME, WHO LIVE THERE, AND WILL BE PAYING OFF ALL THE MONEY THAT BUSH HAS BLOWN, FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

Originally posted by Bill Cosby
michael moore is wicked

He is one brave and dedicated induvidual.

[retro-steve]

again with the war in iraq thing...it's easy to take a mainstream thing such as that with views of the majority known to everyone and then use it to make yourself look like a psuedo intellectual. do you actually think that as soon as harper is put in he'll immediately send troops to iraq? ha! not bloody likely! all the other parties would oppose it (even if the conservatives wanted it) and it would never fly. harper, right now, only has a chance at a strong minority which means he'll need support from the bloc or other liberals (as the current poll shows the bloc and liberals in a dead tie to form the official opposition). don't count on the support being given.

i've never personally agreed with the war in iraq, i know bush just wanted to finish something daddy could never do and now he's in way too deep to stop. it was a huge mistake, but if you got that much support in the beginning for something so huge would you quickly change your mind? i know i wouldn't, if you look weak infront of those terrorist bastards they'll think you're retreating, they've won a battle and then BAM! another large scale attack on home soil.

bush just had a shitty run, he handled some things poorly, but at the same time he was the best man in some cases (9/11 comes to mind, we'd all be fucked if gore was in power for that one). also with a conservative strong minority expect to see a lot of conservative promises held back by the official liberal opposition.

[retro-steve]

Originally posted by handsomebassman



Wrongo buddy, research both political systems.



Nobody here hates americans. Most of us love americans, and feel bad for the bad leadership they have had over the past six years, and all the people who have died, and the families who have suffered as a result.

At least when clinton was in office, america wasnt the laughing stock of the nation.

My grandparents (dads side) live in london, and are always emailing me about how they have made fun of the president of the united states TODAY on the news.

I just feel bad for the poor americans who have no voice. Whos votes get cut off, who dont recieve almost any money from the government, AND THE GUYS LIKE YOU AND ME, WHO LIVE THERE, AND WILL BE PAYING OFF ALL THE MONEY THAT BUSH HAS BLOWN, FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.




He is one brave and dedicated induvidual.

well in response to "researching my political systems" i'm currently majoring in political science and can tell you right now that the prime minister of canada has more power than the president. think about how a bill is passed in canada, the prime minister can introduce anything he wants into the bill and then the house of commons votes on it (after the respected readings). if the president wants to introduce something it must go through senate who can edit and revise the bill in any way they see fit. by the time the actual bill gets out they've chopped it to crap and what the president initially introduced is nothing more than a line on a 100 page document. i suggest you take up poli 225 to brush up on how the canadian system works.

as for your second comment, do you remember pierre trudeau? he put us into a huge deficit with his borrowing habbits and we're still paying off the debt today (and yes mulroney did have his share in screwing the country over afterwards with his policies and thievery). it's possible to rebuild a striving economy after a downfall, especially in a country as powerful and rich as the united states.

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by retro-steve


well in response to "researching my political systems" i'm currently majoring in political science and can tell you right now that the prime minister of canada has more power than the president. think about how a bill is passed in canada, the prime minister can introduce anything he wants into the bill and then the house of commons votes on it (after the respected readings). if the president wants to introduce something it must go through senate who can edit and revise the bill in any way they see fit. by the time the actual bill gets out they've chopped it to crap and what the president initially introduced is nothing more than a line on a 100 page document. i suggest you take up poli 225 to brush up on how the canadian system works.

as for your second comment, do you remember pierre trudeau? he put us into a huge deficit with his borrowing habbits and we're still paying off the debt today (and yes mulroney did have his share in screwing the country over afterwards with his policies and thievery). it's possible to rebuild a striving economy after a downfall, especially in a country as powerful and rich as the united states.

In responce to the first chunk there, it totally depends on what aspect of "power" you are looking at. Yes, for introducing things into bills, PM has more power. Wicked, but to the more important part...

Yes, i remember pierre trudeau, but faintly, mainly because it was decades ago. Was he not was the fifteenth Prime Minister of Canada from April 20, 1968 to June 3, 1979, and from March 3, 1980 to June 30, 1984?

Anyways, as right as you are about "it's possible to rebuild a striving economy after a downfall, especially in a country as powerful and rich as the united states", does that justify an unnessesary plummet due to one mans "cowboy-like" actions?

[retro-steve]

Originally posted by handsomebassman


In responce to the first chunk there, it totally depends on what aspect of "power" you are looking at. Yes, for introducing things into bills, PM has more power. Wicked, but to the more important part...

Yes, i remember pierre trudeau, but faintly, mainly because it was decades ago. Was he not was the fifteenth Prime Minister of Canada from April 20, 1968 to June 3, 1979, and from March 3, 1980 to June 30, 1984?

Anyways, as right as you are about "it's possible to rebuild a striving economy after a downfall, especially in a country as powerful and rich as the united states", does that justify an unnessesary plummet due to one mans "cowboy-like" actions?

in pretty much all matters the prime minister has more power than the president. it's the parlamentary system Vs. the federal system and although we have a mix canada leans more towards the parlamentary system of england. the president is just a larger figure head than the prime minister (mostly because of the united states' status on the global scale). introducing bills is basically how governments function, so to say that since the prime minister can introduce his/her agenda into a bill a lot easier than the president, the prime minister indeed has a lot more power in running the country.

congratulations for bringing up trudeau's years on google, the reason you don't remember his time in power is because A. you were not born and i'm assuming B. you haven't researched canadian politics beyond a social 30 standpoint.

it doesn't justify anything, i'm just saying his actions on 9/11 were a lot better than what the alternative would have been, even the liberals agreed to go to war in afghanistan. every country has had its fair share of shitty politicians, bush was just another one, but what i'm trying to say is just because the conservatives gain power does not mean we're going to fall in the same situation as the US...far from it actually. the combined strength of the NDP and liberals would destroy any conservative attempt to put us on the path that you guys seem to fear the most.

i hate to come off like a jackass here but i really think some people here need a wakeup call and maybe a little education in how small the possibility is of our country turning into what moore's fear mongering has placed in your heads.

[GoChris]

I read....almost nothing of this thread, but moore is a douchebag.

i'd vote harper just cause moore said not to if i wasnt already.

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by retro-steve
congratulations for bringing up trudeau's years on google, the reason you don't remember his time in power is because A. you were not born

Your the same age as me genious.

Noone cares what your prof has said, cause obviously hes a onesided nutjob. He's morphed your mind. Wake up and smell the nescafe buddy, despite how annoying moore can be, he is the wake up call for the new milleniums america and generally right in everything he says, despite your beliefs.

[brandon]

Originally posted by GoChris
I read....almost nothing of this thread, but moore is a douchebag.

i'd vote harper just cause moore said not to if i wasnt already.