Hippie Demonstration Saturday

[Toms-SC]

"Source: Ekos Research Associates / Toronto Star
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 1,211 Canadian adults, conducted from Oct. 10 to Oct. 12, 2006. Margin of error is 2.8 per cent."

Whoa, very representative. Polls change daily, in order to accurately reflect the current public opinion the scope would need to be for a longer time period with more test subjects.

Grats to you for finding a link thoe

[khtm]

I admit, that was a bit rude, but why call someone a "troll" for not agreeing with your obviously biased and prejudiced thread?

Like what did he expect, everyone to pat him on the back and say "Good job you hippy hater!"

Seriously, at least I bring frickin' facts to the table instead of incorrect assumptions.

BTW, Toms - have you ever taken a stats course? Who are you to rebute an Angus Reid poll?

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by Xtrema

I'm confused, are the protester saying we should treat women as properties and oppress them?

What do you think would happen if the Taliban got back in?

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by khtm


BTW, Toms - have you ever taken a stats course? Who are you to rebute an Angus Reid poll?

It's not an Angus Reid, it says the source to be a Ekos Research Associates & Toronto Star. In Canada you cannot get any more left to the scale.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

If you go onto the Strategic Counsel site and read the PDF for the survey:

http://www.thestrategiccounsel.com/o...%20-%20Rev.pdf


Check out the sample distribution:

Canada: 1000
Quebec: 247
Rest of Canada: 753
Ontario: 379
West: 297


Here's some stats:
Population of Quebec: 7,651,531

Population of B.C.: 4,310,452
Population of Alberta: 3,375,763
Population of Saskatchewan: 985,386
Population of Manitoba: 1,177,765

Total pop. of the West: 9,849,366

Thus, the population of the West is 29% higher than Quebec, but we only got 20% more of the sample space.

If these people can't even do a simple sample space calculation to determine proportional representation when conducting a survey, I can't really be convinced by their results.

I also like how they split it into "Quebec" and "Rest of Canada." I wonder where these guys are from... maybe the province with the most support against the Afghanistan war? Biased polls FTL.

[01RedDX]

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[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


So why ignore far more desperate areas like Darfur where women are not only oppressed, but killed? You really think that our army is there, in this strategically important region, to liberate people? Did anyone ask the Afghans if they wanted the war intensified by foreign agitation? You have a very limited view of the world.

Same shit different pile. The military, especially the Canadian military does not have the resources to enter places like Darfur. I do 100% agree with you that there are other regions where UN forces are needed.

If Canada was to pull out of Afghanistan we should take a serious look at leaving NATO & the UN.

Limited view? This must sound appealing to you:

Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:

- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.

- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.

- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.

- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a "communist" holiday.

- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.

- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.

- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.

- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.

- Ordered that all people attend prayers in mosques five times daily.

- Banned the keeping of pigeons and playing with the birds, describing it as un-Islamic. The violators will be imprisoned and the birds shall be killed. The kite flying has also been stopped.

- Ordered all onlookers, while encouraging the sportsmen, to chant Allah-o-Akbar (God is great) and refrain from clapping.

- Ban on certain games including kite flying which is "un-Islamic" according to Taliban.

- Anyone who carries objectionable literature will be executed.

- Anyone who converts from Islam to any other religion will be executed.

- All boy students must wear turbans. They say "No turban, no education".

- Non-Muslim minorities must distinct badge or stitch a yellow cloth onto their dress to be differentiated from the majority Muslim population. Just like what did Nazis with Jews.

- Banned the use of the internet by both ordinary Afghans and foreigners.

[khtm]

Yeah, but BerserkerCatSplat, you're forgetting that BC is pretty much neck and neck for Quebec as far as being "left-wing", so your nice little numbers might potentially change the results from

36% opposed

to

35% opposed

But who really knows? It could actually change to be more opposed if more Westerners were included in the poll and everyone from BC said "fuck let's get outta that stinkin' country".

Again, more assumptions.

Have fun with your hippy bashing boys. Time to leave work.

[nonlinear]

Toms-SC, it is people like you who taint America's image and make me embarrassed to admit my nationality when travelling abroad (yes, i'm american too). You don't represent America and you certainly don't represent Canada. I suggest you stop muddling in Canada's political affairs.

[eb0i]

Are we not in Afganastan because of our commitment to NATO? A NATO nation was attacked and we are just fulfilling our part in the alliance by waging war in Afganastan. Also why link the stats of how many people support the war to the fall in the popularity of the Conservatives when it was the Liberals who agreed on sending the troops over there after 9/11?

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by eb0i
Are we not in Afganastan because of our commitment to NATO? why link the stats of how many people support the war to the fall in the popularity of the Conservatives when it was the Liberals who agreed on sending the troops over there after 9/11?

Thank you, this is also a UN Mission as well

UN Webpage:
http://www.unama-afg.org/

NATO Webpage:
http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/index.html

[wainr]

Originally posted by eb0i
Are we not in Afganastan because of our commitment to NATO? A NATO nation was attacked and we are just fulfilling our part in the alliance by waging war in Afganastan. Also why link the stats of how many people support the war to the fall in the popularity of the Conservatives when it was the Liberals who agreed on sending the troops over there after 9/11?

The people who keep claiming to be so smart and worldly seem to miss these important "facts"..

[01RedDX]

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[Toms-Celica]

Originally posted by nonlinear
why are you calling me new-jack? i've been around here a lot longer than you....

Are you very well done yet? I'd like to get back onto my topic. K thxs

[collectskulls]

right click save as.....

great pics

[barbarian]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
If you go onto the Strategic Counsel site and read the PDF for the survey:

http://www.thestrategiccounsel.com/o...%20-%20Rev.pdf


Check out the sample distribution:

Canada: 1000
Quebec: 247
Rest of Canada: 753
Ontario: 379
West: 297


Here's some stats:
Population of Quebec: 7,651,531

Population of B.C.: 4,310,452
Population of Alberta: 3,375,763
Population of Saskatchewan: 985,386
Population of Manitoba: 1,177,765

Total pop. of the West: 9,849,366

Thus, the population of the West is 29% higher than Quebec, but we only got 20% more of the sample space.

If these people can't even do a simple sample space calculation to determine proportional representation when conducting a survey, I can't really be convinced by their results.

I also like how they split it into "Quebec" and "Rest of Canada." I wonder where these guys are from... maybe the province with the most support against the Afghanistan war? Biased polls FTL.

Toronto Red Star, what do you expect?

Originally posted by eb0i
Are we not in Afganastan because of our commitment to NATO? A NATO nation was attacked and we are just fulfilling our part in the alliance by waging war in Afganastan. Also why link the stats of how many people support the war to the fall in the popularity of the Conservatives when it was the Liberals who agreed on sending the troops over there after 9/11?

Try telling that to the French.

Parisian or Quebecers.

When is the protest? I want to see the riot squad in action.

[NGRPLZ.NET]

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[Toma]

Originally posted by eb0i
Are we not in Afganastan because of our commitment to NATO? A NATO nation was attacked and we are just fulfilling our part in the alliance by waging war in Afganastan. Also why link the stats of how many people support the war to the fall in the popularity of the Conservatives when it was the Liberals who agreed on sending the troops over there after 9/11?

A NATO nation was attacked, so we attacked Afghanistan? lol That makes sense.

Attacking Saudi Arabia would a made sense if retaliation was gonna be made, but we already HAVE their DICTATORS under our thumb and their oil...

[MrPid]

Hippies? Aren't they're extinct except for the last few vietnam war draft dodgers making a living growing weed out in the BC interior up in the mountains?

[googe]

and by hippies, you mean non-redneck free thinkers