FS: post again and get banned

[Jackboot]

To the overzealous moderators: this computer hardware is 100% legal to purchase and use. It is easily purchased from many computer geek stores like Memory Express.

[rage2]

This is the site owner. I don't fucking care if Memory Express sells it. No satellite equipment on here allowed unless it's equipment from an authorized canadian satellite provider (Bell ExpressVu and Starchoice). This is not Memory Express. This is beyond.ca and we run by OUR rules. Canadian laws state that only equipment that's legal is equipment provided by licensed DTH providers. SC or BEV. That's it. Not happy with the laws? Go fucking change it.

Post this again, and you'll get banned.

[Phuqu]

Originally posted by rage2
Not happy with the laws? Go fucking change it.

[Kona9]

[in*10*se]

[Hamann]

That was Pure Gold

[CasperWho]

edit: figured i had to get on this dickriding too

[rage2]

Well Mr Jackboot. You PM'd me, and I want EVERYONE to see my response so this shit doesn't come up anymore.

Jackboot wrote on 12-04-2006 03:27 PM:
Hello

I cannot find anywhere in the marketplace rules that forbids selling satallite equipment. If I'm somehow missing it I apologise.

Further, you are simply wrong about Canadian (and American for that matter) law on FTA satellite equipment. FTA by definition is "free to air". It is free television. It is broadcast intentionally unscrambled and free to watch. You could not pay for it if you wanted to. FTA equipment is also used to legitimately purchase satellite internet access (which is why I actually bought it in the first place). Canadian law *has* specifically mentioned that the only satellite feeds that can be watched for free are FTA broadcasts.

If Beyond wants to implement an irrational rule against selling completely legal hardware in the marketplace that is one thing and it should be clearly listed in the rules so I don't waste my time or yours. But to claim that this equipment is illegal according to Canadian law is 100% untrue.

I believe what you are referring to as illegal is unscrambling pay TV satellite feeds. There is no disagreement on this point. At no point did I offer to help anyone do this. I don't even know how anyway since I have no experience with it.

Also, your post was excessively rude. I didn't know that calling the mods "overzealous" was such an insult to warrant the flame. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that this hardware is 100% legal to buy, sell, and use.

The point is - I'd like to sell this hardware on beyond. I'd like to ask you to allow me to do so and honestly consider my points above about the legality of it, or to clarify the marketplace rules. As of now, I see no rule implemented that forbids me from selling this.

Thanks
Jackboot

If you want to talk legalities of Satellite with me, I know WTF I'm talking about. It helps that this was explained to me by both RCMP and FBI agents that I've worked with.

Let's start with the Radiocommunication Act of Canada.

http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/R-2/258836.html

Section 9.1.c states:

No person shall decode an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed otherwise than under and in accordance with an authorization from the lawful distributor of the signal or feed;

This closes the door on illegal decryption as well as grey market (Dish Network) decryption. Dish Network is NOT a lawful distributor in Canada, thus you will never get authorization. Besides, most of Dish Network's channels have rights owned by ExpressVu, Starchoice, Shaw, etc. so you need their authorization. It's been fought many a times in the courts, and the courts have ruled that section 9.1.c also covers Dish Network and DirecTV signals.

Next, section 10.1.b states:

Every person who without lawful excuse, manufactures, imports, distributes, leases, offers for sale, sells, installs, modifies, operates or possesses any equipment or device, or any component thereof, under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the equipment, device or component has been used, or is or was intended to be used, for the purpose of contravening section 9,

Bam. Because you're posting on beyond.ca, beyond.ca is now offering such an item for sale.

But wait, it could be used for FTA too right? True, but the primary purpose is NOT FTA. Find 100 FTA cards/boxes, 98 of them will be used for piracy. I bolded resonable inference from section 10.1.b, and it's pretty reasonable to say FTA cards and receivers are for pirating. Hell, your fucking original post goes as far as to say:

Originally posted by Jackboot
If you were a real low-life you could also easily pirate Pay-per-view, porn, as well as many hundreds of channels on Dish Network and Bell sattelite feeds. You'd really have to be scum to do this though. I'm sure that nobody on beyond would stoop to this level of inexcusible piracy. Of course I cannot stop this behaviour...

It may be sarcastic in nature, but it's pretty fucking obvious.

Because of this, you've officially broken General Forum Rules #10.

10. Discussion of piracy, and other illegal activities will not be tolerated.

Don't fucking question me. I'm always fucking right.

I can go into the laws you're breaking with FTA cards and receivers when dealing with the US DMCA laws too if you like.

[msommers]

Uber pwnage!

[DoubleLP]

Kick his ass Seabass!!

[snowboard]

Originally posted by rage2


Don't fucking question me. I'm always fucking right.


[/B]

Hahahaha. now thats authority.

[Pihsiak]

Byaaaaah Bitch

[Dooms_Bane]

lol poor guy.. what mad ownage...
everyone knows that shits about as legal as me running around naked downtown

[teggypimp95]

Haha owned.

+1 to ban this homo.

[Jackboot]

Originally posted by rage2
But wait, it could be used for FTA too right? True, but the primary purpose is NOT FTA. Find 100 FTA cards/boxes, 98 of them will be used for piracy. I bolded resonable inference from section 10.1.b, and it's pretty reasonable to say FTA cards and receivers are for pirating.

No, the primary use of this card IS for FTA. Out of the box this will do nothing to get any encrypted satellite feeds. In fact I purchased this card with the intention of using it legally for 2 reasons: 1. Japanese language channels and 2. Internet access through a paid provider (when I was out in the boonies). Other people use these cards legally too.

By your reasoning the marketplace shouldn't be allowed to sell a computer with Internet capability - since that can be used to download illegal content.

I find it interesting that you are so gung-ho about not allowing a piece of hardware that is manufactured for the intent of legal use, yet one of the sponsors for the forum is selling a piece of hardware that is clearly to be used for breaking the law:

http://www.navalert.com/store/home.php

Whatever - it's your forum. A simple "no we're not going to allow that" would have sufficed but you clearly like to be contentious.

[DoubleLP]

This Jackboot guy must be special. He keeps posting and can not take the fact that he was told to go somewhere else.

I smell a banning coming.

[bball2]

owned x2

[lint]

why would you argue with rage when it comes to anything tv related? his vietnamese rapist facial hair, sure, but not tv.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Jackboot
No, the primary use of this card IS for FTA. Out of the box this will do nothing to get any encrypted satellite feeds. In fact I purchased this card with the intention of using it legally for 2 reasons: 1. Japanese language channels and 2. Internet access through a paid provider (when I was out in the boonies). Other people use these cards legally too.

Nigga fucking please. It's like telling me smart card readers don't do anything out of the box so they're legal. Try setting up shop and sell some AVR cards and smart card readers or whatever the fuck they use nowadays and see how long it takes for you to get charged from the Radiocommunications Act.

I'm not debating the fact that it's possible for the FTA card to pick up FTA channels. But you expect me to fucking believe that the PRIMARY purpose of a FTA card, meaning the majority of ppl buying these cards, are using it for the handful of FTA channels? Again, NIGGA FUCKING PLEASE. Your post was obvious enough that u "suggest" that ppl use it for piracy. So go fuck yourself, then go fuck your mom, cuz you're just trying to be smart about it. Unfortunately, you failed. Cuz you're fucking stupid.

Originally posted by Jackboot
By your reasoning the marketplace shouldn't be allowed to sell a computer with Internet capability - since that can be used to download illegal content.

Hey if the government deems it as such, I will fucking ban computer sales.

Originally posted by Jackboot
I find it interesting that you are so gung-ho about not allowing a piece of hardware that is manufactured for the intent of legal use, yet one of the sponsors for the forum is selling a piece of hardware that is clearly to be used for breaking the law:

http://www.navalert.com/store/home.php

Radar detectors are perfectly legal. As are GPS devices telling you where cops MAY be hiding. Radio jammers are illegal, as are passive laser jammers. I suggest you do more research.

Originally posted by Jackboot
Whatever - it's your forum. A simple "no we're not going to allow that" would have sufficed but you clearly like to be contentious.

I fucking did the first time by removing your thread. You're the dumb fuck who first called our moderators overzealous, I gave u a fucking explaination, and you PM'd me. Holy fuck are you THAT stupid? Everything is documented here. Go fuck yourself. Stay in school, cuz you're too stupid to survive without it. When you graduate and get smarter, then you can come back on beyond.

[TurboMedic]

fuck