Ticket Prices

[VW02]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
Not many are going to agree with you. A person's bank account has nothing to do with the infraction.

Yes but lets think about why we have tickets for an infraction. It is to penalize the person so that they do not do the same thing again right? Well lets talk about impacting someone. A millionaire who gets a $200 speeding ticket is just going to brush it off and think nothing of it, it wont stop him from speeding. But if a poor person gets a $200 dollar ticket, it will have a huge impact on him. Is it fair that they both get the "same" ticket yet get impacted differently?Charging the rich guy more would actually make him think about his actions and could possibly stop him from speeding again.

[googe]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
Similar crimes deserve similar punishments.

but if you have 3 million dollars in the bank, a $185 speeding fine isnt a punishment. not even a bit.

but if it was like taxes, then the wealthy wouldnt have to pay anything for tickets

i think that VW02 is young and will soon learn that the more you make, the more benefits you enjoy, with a certain level of impunity under our justice system being one of them. whether its right or not doesnt matter, thats part of being in a capitalist society.

thats how it works for guys anyway, for girls its how hot you are.

[VW02]

Originally posted by googe


but if you have 3 million dollars in the bank, a $185 speeding fine isnt a punishment. not even a bit.

but if it was like taxes, then the wealthy wouldnt have to pay anything for tickets

i think that VW02 is young and will soon learn that the more you make, the more benefits you enjoy, with a certain level of impunity under our justice system being one of them. whether its right or not doesnt matter, thats part of being in a capitalist society.

thats how it works for guys anyway, for girls its how hot you are.

If you think that speeding tickets should be a flat rate, should income tax not be a flat rate? Maybe you will see my point now...

[lilmira]

Originally posted by VW02



If you think that speeding tickets should be a flat rate, should income tax not be a flat rate? Maybe you will see my point now...

Tax is not punishment. So do you suggest Bill Gates to pay a million for a junior chicken?

We work hard so that we can afford to have a better life. What's the point of making more money if everything goes by percentage?

Like a lot of us said already, fine is only part of the punishment. I don't see more rich people violating traffic law than the poor unless they all drive 15yr old import with big fart can.

j/k about the 15yr old import with big fart can.
I used to own one and I'm not rich neither.

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by VW02



If you think that speeding tickets should be a flat rate, should income tax not be a flat rate? Maybe you will see my point now...

Flat rate income tax?? ----- I just got a woody

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by lilmira



We work hard so that we can afford to have a better life. What's the point of making more money if everything goes by percentage?

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Exactly---Why penalize the rich??? They create jobs, fund research, and strengthen the economy which benefits all of society in the long run!!!

[TKRIS]

1.) Income tax is not a penalization. It's a percentage the government takes to keep the country running. In general, when people refer to a "flat income tax", what they're usually refering to is a common percentage paid by everyone. Most people, particularily those not in the highest tax bracket, are in favor of this, as it forces the rich to be held accountable for their portion of the countries economic burden.
Proposing, even hypothetically, that a flat dollar amount should be paid by everyone is rediculous and naive. You'd bankrupt 20% of the country, destroy the middle class, and create an insurmountable gap between the classes.

2.) It's not the cop's business how much money I make. As previously said, having more money=having more freedom to do what you want.
If you just arbitrarily level the playing field between the rich and the poor, our whole economic system would crash. If there's no advantage to being rich, why bother trying? I could see your line of reasoning quickly dissolving into a debate on the merit of communism, but since we've all seen how effective that is, let's just agree that a capitalist society, while flawed, is a better economic and social model.

Kris

EDIT: Just so this is clear, I'm addressing the original poster's theories, not any of the other comments made on this thread.

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by TKRIS
1.) Income tax is not a penalization. It's a percentage the government takes to keep the country running. In general, when people refer to a "flat income tax", what they're usually refering to is a common percentage paid by everyone. Most people, particularily those not in the highest tax bracket, are in favor of this, as it forces the rich to be held accountable for their portion of the countries economic burden.
Proposing, even hypothetically, that a flat dollar amount should be paid by everyone is rediculous and naive. You'd bankrupt 20% of the country, destroy the middle class, and create an insurmountable gap between the classes.

2.) It's not the cop's business how much money I make. As previously said, having more money=having more freedom to do what you want.
If you just arbitrarily level the playing field between the rich and the poor, our whole economic system would crash. If there's no advantage to being rich, why bother trying? I could see your line of reasoning quickly dissolving into a debate on the merit of communism, but since we've all seen how effective that is, let's just agree that a capitalist society, while flawed, is a better economic and social model.

Kris

Thank you professor

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by VW02


Yes but lets think about why we have tickets for an infraction. It is to penalize the person so that they do not do the same thing again right? Well lets talk about impacting someone. A millionaire who gets a $200 speeding ticket is just going to brush it off and think nothing of it, it wont stop him from speeding. But if a poor person gets a $200 dollar ticket, it will have a huge impact on him. Is it fair that they both get the "same" ticket yet get impacted differently?Charging the rich guy more would actually make him think about his actions and could possibly stop him from speeding again.

Most people don't care about the fine and worry more about the demerits which effect everyone equally.

If a person is so poor, tell him to take the bus and the issue is solved. Being successful has its perks.

[ashee]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Most people don't care about the fine and worry more about the demerits which effect everyone equally.

If a person is so poor, tell him to take the bus and the issue is solved. Being successful has its perks.

Another good point.
Determining the cost of the fine should not be based on someone's income because "$185 doesn't affect a wealthy person the same as a poor person, they'll keep speeding...bla bla bla." There's only so many times they can get caught before they lose all their demerits, fine or no fine their drivers abstract is still effected and depending on how many demerits one has/has left it most likely will prevent them from breaking rules of the road because their licence is at stake.

[DoubleLP]

Originally posted by ashee


Another good point.
Determining the cost of the fine should not be based on someone's income because "$185 doesn't affect a wealthy person the same as a poor person, they'll keep speeding...bla bla bla." There's only so many times they can get caught before they lose all their demerits, fine or no fine their drivers abstract is still effected and depending on how many demerits one has/has left it most likely will prevent them from breaking rules of the road because their licence is at stake.

Agreed. The demerits are there for a reason, and it does not matter what income you have. It is all based on your driving record. With more tickets comes more demerits. Which then brings higher insurance rates. And if you are rich usually you have a high-end car, which means your rates are higher in the first place.

I say leave the system as is. Don't fix something that is working just fine.

[ashee]

Originally posted by DoubleLP


Agreed. The demerits are there for a reason, and it does not matter what income you have. It is all based on your driving record. With more tickets comes more demerits. Which then brings higher insurance rates. And if you are rich usually you have a high-end car, which means your rates are higher in the first place.

I say leave the system as is. Don't fix something that is working just fine.

Indeed, their insurance will also be affected, and depending on the number of infractions you have your insurance company may even drop you and/or it will be difficult to ever find insurance because you will be considered high risk.

[GTS Jeff]

Why not charge the rich more for everything? Then money will become valueless and we can all be socialists!

[codepoet101]

stupid if im rich i wanna drive fast. how do you think the guy got his $100k car?

[ercchry]

^^ dope dealer

[Super_Geo]

How about: We should charge fat people more money for food. They obviously don't need to eat as much of it as a normal healthy person. What do you think, VW02?

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
How about: We should charge fat people more money for food. They obviously don't need to eat as much of it as a normal healthy person. What do you think, VW02?

Interesting concept. Charge fat people more for health care, because they are at a higher risk for complications in the future. Would that work also?

[Euro///Tuned]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
How about: We should charge fat people more money for food. They obviously don't need to eat as much of it as a normal healthy person. What do you think, VW02?

Awesome post!!

[googe]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Why not charge the rich more for everything? Then money will become valueless and we can all be socialists!

then maybe everyone would stop bending each other over and be forced to re-evaluate whats really important. heaven forbid!

Originally posted by D. Dub


Exactly---Why penalize the rich??? They create jobs, fund research, and strengthen the economy which benefits all of society in the long run!!!

and overconsume, driving inflation, and not only widen the wealth gap from the poor, but now the middle-class as well. the distribution of the resource pool is zero-sum. for every extra dollar you take, thats another dollar someone else cant have.

we like to be delusional and think that our own earnings are independent and have no impact on others so we feel less guilty about being gluttons.

[pinoyhero]

Madante's economic theory (based on the laws of S&D and logic) can solve this one.

One crime, one punishment. Society already punishes those who work hard and make money enough through the existing tax structure why take it to the next level? Agreed that a $100 fine hurts less to a millionare but that millionare presumalby worked his ass off to have the luxury of being able to eat one of these tickets every once in a while. Looking at it on the other hand, why would you give a lower income individual a break? If they are speeding do they harm society any less? No.