Another View on Climate Change

[eb0i]

Another side of the Global Warming/Climate Change Debate. They go in order parts 1-5 (top --> bottom)

[DonJuan]

Excellent Vid man, and an excellent find! Since my first year in Geology, profs and textbooks have taught the temperature fluctuations in the geologic record. But ofcourse you cant throw a textbook at environmentalist quacks cuz then they'll yell at you for littering, and cutting down trees, which is a problem, along with the 25% of the world's population using 75% of the resources.

[D. Dub]

The problem with the Friends of Science is that their funding is from oil interests --- but on the flipside the environmental scientists NEED global warming to justify their research $$ and their income

[Isaiah]

For every expert on this video arguing against human-caused global warming, there are 100 or more climatologists, geologists, and other scientists which will argue (substantiated by insurmountable evidence) that we are in fact responsible.

[Toma]

Man... quit posting videos made by lobby groups funded by oil and gas

"Friends of Science".... bunch o dirtbags and pseudoscientists for hire....

[Toma]

Originally posted by D. Dub
The problem with the Friends of Science is that their funding is from oil interests --- but on the flipside the environmental scientists NEED global warming to justify their research $$ and their income

actually they don't....

[D. Dub]

Scientific funding is based on the zeitgeist of the day --- if you don't believe that you're naive.

[Toma]

Originally posted by D. Dub
Scientific funding is based on the zeitgeist of the day --- if you don't believe that you're naive.

oh, ok Freud

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by Toma

oh, ok Freud

Freud ?? It was really defined by Hegel before -- in his view of the relationship of history to existentialist philosophy .

[D_2K]

Im not very opinionated on the subject as i do not have any info nor done much research but, I dont understand the reasons why people argue against global warming being the responsibility of humans. Id like to think its simple Cause and Effect: you poor TONS upon TONS of polution(shit) into the air-atmosphere, there has got to be an effect. So tell me what would be a more logical effect of this besides Global Warming......

[Xtrema]

[khtm]

Originally posted by eb0i
Another View on Climate Change

No.

Thanks for coming out, "Friend of Lies" lover.

[eb0i]

Originally posted by Toma
Man... quit posting videos made by lobby groups funded by oil and gas

Everyone gets paid by someone.

[eb0i]

Originally posted by khtm


No.

Thanks for coming out, "Friend of Lies" lover.

I was just posting another view, I didn't say it was the right one did I?

So no...Thank YOU for coming out.

[Toma]

Originally posted by eb0i


Everyone gets paid by someone.

I worked in more then one research lab... with real scientists... sure they get paid.....

But they DEFINATELY do not get paid to put out junk science.... where as the guys you post do.

Sure, some labs, researchers on occassion put out shit... but in the end they get discredited and lose funding....

Friends of liars receive no funding for research. They get funding from oil and gas to make videos disputing science lol

Stick to talking about stuff which does not require higher than your grade 3 level of understanding....

[eb0i]

Originally posted by Toma

I worked in more then one research lab... with real scientists... sure they get paid.....

But they DEFINATELY do not get paid to put out junk science.... where as the guys you post do.

Sure, some labs, researchers on occassion put out shit... but in the end they get discredited and lose funding....

Friends of liars receive no funding for research. They get funding from oil and gas to make videos disputing science lol

Stick to talking about stuff which does not require higher than your grade 3 level of understanding....

You know that your post was a good post until the last sentence. I am open to hearing all the points and I actually thought you brought up good points. So why did you feel the need to be so condescending? Not once have I belittled you. But thanks for that

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by Toma

I worked in more then one research lab... with real scientists... sure they get paid.....

But they DEFINATELY do not get paid to put out junk science.... where as the guys you post do.

OH MY -- are really you that optimistic??!?! rose colored glasses maybe?

Historically; and right from the beginnings, science funding is primarily underpinned by whatever popular social thought is prevalent at the time.

[Toma]

Originally posted by eb0i


You know that your post was a good post until the last sentence. I am open to hearing all the points and I actually thought you brought up good points. So why did you feel the need to be so condescending? Not once have I belittled you. But thanks for that

My appologies... I must have confused you with someone else....

I get confused with all the weird screen names people choose....

[Toma]

Originally posted by D. Dub


OH MY -- are really you that optimistic??!?! rose colored glasses maybe?

Historically; and right from the beginnings, science funding is primarily underpinned by whatever popular social thought is prevalent at the time.

Roses maybe.... but I have had the highest respect for all the researchers I have known so far....

And I stand by what I said... junk science does not stand, and the funding WILL get cut. It is a good self correcting system. Better imho then paying attention to lobby groups parading as scientists with dubious funding sources.

If a guy working in Cardio Vasccular research for the U of C at the Foohills says cigarettes are bad, and a guy that hasn;t published in 15 years working for Marlboro says they aren't bad.... I mean... well....

Not saying science is never wrong. But IN GENERAL, 95% of the time, their heart is in the right place.

Oh yeah.... and scientists are very competitive with each other DUE to the funding structure.

Say 2 labs working on the same sort of research.... competing for limited funding... man, they REALLY compete, and keep each other in check, scour each others papers for mistakes, fighting to publish first... ... they are like savages in that regard... lol... seen that....

[D. Dub]

^^^I'm talking big picture here.

I have a Master's degree and my wife has done grad work in Biology before going to medical school. So I do have a good understanding of the scientific enterprise.

It's all about publish or perish and you had better publish what's popular science...not just good science.