who's an engineer here at beyond.ca

[BlackArcher101]

Originally posted by Rat Fink


Well, the AET diploma was one of the few 3 year college programs out there. The program died off the map after Sept. 11th. My first year started with 65 people and only 8 of us graduated at the end of the third year. I was in the second last class to graduate, and I beleive the AET program at SAIT was the only one in Western Canada.

Fellow graduate of AET here, '04. Was the last class to go through it. My grad class had a whopping 5 people in it for the two years. As you mentioned, the material we were taught was very close to that in University, as Simon B. kept reminding us over and over again. The only huge difference between University and SAIT was how the class was taught/marked. The content generally stayed the same.

Good to see another grad, very rare to come across one without working with them.

[kaishen]

over here in sg, we do dont have technologist. its actually my first time hearing that and it sounded pretty good. back here, engineering diplomas will get you a assistant engineer job. in my friend's company, if you are a assistant engineer, you prob need another 10 years to go up to full fledge engineer if u count by experience, thats what made her go back to sch for another 4 years to earn it faster. but both are equally impt and we shouldnt say one is impt , the other one is not.

flame suit on>> lets live harmoniously in this thread haha

[JTF]

Originally posted by cts
FYI Engineers have alot more salary room and higher cap per say then techs.

i agree with the above point. you have to remeber, that the purpose of a university degree in not the same as a diploma from the polytechnic institution. the degree teaches the theory of the discipline moreso than the application. once the theory is learned, the application comes througb internship. hoewever, once a student has learned the theory, that can be applied anywhere. as technology changes, a degree bearing student will be able to learn everything on the foundation of what theu have learned, as opposed to having to go back to school to re-learn or upgrade their knowledge base.

an individual with a tech diploma will be able to work in a given industry immeditaely. however, as that particular industry changes, the tech would haveto go back to school to learn the new methods of that particular technology due to the lack of the theoretical knowledge base.

[turbotrip]

the engineers in this thread are just bitter because they had to spend twice as long in school and work twice as hard to make the same amount of money as the technologists.

you take the ring away from an engineer and you have a technologist

[TurboCarrera]

Originally posted by seer_claw

As to wanting items built as they were designed, I agree. It should be done correctly and to the design specs. They are designed that way for a reason, the highest reason being public safety.
The engineer has every right to demand that the plans be followed, trades don't realize this and what may have worked on one project will not work on another.

this is the mindset from engineers that is fueling this thread. EVERY tradesman on the planet has a story of being handed a design that

A) cannot exist in the 3 physical dimensions that we live in
B) spec'd from materials that are unavailable or afordable
C) impossible to assemble with human hands and or tools
D) .........the list is endless

[lilmira]

Originally posted by TurboCarrera


this is the mindset from engineers that is fueling this thread. EVERY tradesman on the planet has a story of being handed a design that

A) cannot exist in the 3 physical dimensions that we live in
B) spec'd from materials that are unavailable or afordable
C) impossible to assemble with human hands and or tools
D) .........the list is endless

Yeah, every engineer on the planet has stories of field guys doing something extremely stupid because they think they have seen it all and therefore can do anything. Playing the blame game will get you nowhere.

We all have to work together and share the information. Yes, I do agree that there are some snobby engineers who wouldn't listen to anyone he/she sees on a lower level than he/she is. There are also a lot of older, experienced people without a P.Eng who wouldn't listen to any engineer younger than they are because of ego too.

Engineers aren't psychic. I hate it when people don't want to cooperate and then blame the other party when things don't work.

There is a world of theory and there is a world of reality. It doesn't help if both sides just stay in their own corners.

[riceboi]

Originally posted by turbotrip
the engineers in this thread are just bitter because they had to spend twice as long in school and work twice as hard to make the same amount of money as the technologists.

you take the ring away from an engineer and you have a technologist

You're probably speaking on behalf of of a small percentage of engineering technologists. Are you comparing 15 yrs experience RET with an EIT? Try to apply a job at City of Calgary, PetroCan, Enmax then you'll see the differrence.

[Pacman]

The "real" engineers can sign passports as a guarantor. That must be worth an extra few years in school.

[arian_ma]

Originally posted by Pacman
The "real" engineers can sign passports as a guarantor. That must be worth an extra few years in school.

AND we learned how to copy 3 assignments at once while typing in answers to tomorrow's MT in our calculators. How can you lose?

Haha, JK, I am a soon-to-be Mechanical Engineer. Looking to get my masters after that.

[stealth]

Originally posted by Darkane
Lets see If I can get more people pissed off.. How about Power Engineers? Highest payed on average of all the Engineering branches, at least for the first 10 years.

Yes I love my school length to pay ratio

I'm waiting for someone to get pissed about this, as I have had the argument over and over again.

Power Engineers, are Engineers. That is what the Alberta and Federal Government call them, thus it must be true!

But they will come back saying well APEGGA this, waa, waaa. Fuck APEGGA, I think the Government is higher than APEGGA.

APEGGA and ABSA, have been trying to resolve the issues, and work out some equivalence or some shit, but it has not happened.

[kaishen]

anyway sorry to interrupt the flaming here.

what are the more reputable electical electronics engineering firm here in calgary?

what are the usual welfare package like?

[Aleks]

Originally posted by turbotrip
the engineers in this thread are just bitter because they had to spend twice as long in school and work twice as hard to make the same amount of money as the technologists.

you take the ring away from an engineer and you have a technologist

what company is this?

[krisopotamus]

Engineering student here, 4th year industrial.

I could give a rats about any of this but what I don't like is people with their 4th class power engg certificate calling themselves power engineers. That would be pretty f'n easy to get, alot easier than even a year of engineering school. Lots of field operators do that, it's annoying because they are usually idiots and seem to think they are smart.

I wanted to go into architecture but they didn't offer anything but a 2 year certificate where I am from, so I decided on engineering so I could get a degree. That was my personal choice, as I wanted a degree (will be the first person in my family to get one)

[rc2002]

Originally posted by Idratherbsidewayz
Only in Calgary is it so fucked up that a Technologist who doesn't stamp anything can be paid more than an Engineer...

Exactly. Technologists really got lucky with this labour shortage in Calgary. In any other city, or any other industry they wouldn't be where they are now.

[Super_Geo]

^ Yeah power engineers are technologists... I don't see how you can get around that one. It doesn't matter what name the government calls it, their job description fits a technologist's role, not an engineer's.

I don't see why it's such a big deal... engineers and technologists have different job responsibilities... sometimes they overlap and in some cases they're basically the same. If you're an engineer call yourself and engineer... if you're a technologist call yourself a technologist. Engineers: don't be dicks to the techs. Techs: stop whining about the couple of engineer who were dicks to you and make it seem like every engineer has 1" thick glasses and can't deal with people to save their lives... I know there's some, but they're definately in the minority.

And fuck, I can't believe this pissing match is still going on. It should've ended with this post by brendan half a page ago:

Originally posted by brendankharris
You know what, everyone is to blame here.

Engineers: You are giving us techs a hard time, you don't give locomotive engineers a hard time because that is their job title, or the engineers who are in the military just because you share a job title. Now I know that there are some tech's who wish they were engineers (or for whatever reason they want to call themselves engineers) but of the tech's I know... we have never mis-represented ourselves, we are proud of our careers, our career choice, and wear my TIT with pride . So maybe giving us some slack is in order, we work hard too (well some of us do) and try to do the best job's we can and no one can argue with that.

techs: I don't know about anyone else but I do recognize the prestige, responsibility and pay that PEng's have that enable them to approve my designs so they ultimately hold both responsibility and liability of whatever I do. Of course I want it to be correct, safe, and a proper design, but I don't worry once it goes out the door, I trust my FSE (Field Service Engineer) to know what he is doing. Now calling it a hierarchy where the engineer is on top might be a slap to some of you (I know in my group it is not so... we have COMPLETELY different jobs, we are not seen as less talented engineers) but maybe us too should cut the PEng's some slack, they have worked hard to get to that level and it should not be a sore point for those of us who have not even tried.

Everyone else: Why are you getting into this and fueling an e-fight?


***Flame suit on*** but to be honest, if we all worked together this bitching would be seen as pathetic and childish, I guess that is the beauty of anonymity on the internet.

[Mangina]

[Darkane]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
^ Yeah power engineers are technologists... I don't see how you can get around that one. It doesn't matter what name the government calls it, their job description fits a technologist's role, not an engineer's.

True but, Power eng's can also keep going. A First class Power Eng takes a solid 6-10 years to complete.

[stealth]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
^ Yeah power engineers are technologists... I don't see how you can get around that one. It doesn't matter what name the government calls it, their job description fits a technologist's role, not an engineer's.

I don't see why it's such a big deal... engineers and technologists have different job responsibilities... sometimes they overlap and in some cases they're basically the same. If you're an engineer call yourself and engineer... if you're a technologist call yourself a technologist. Engineers: don't be dicks to the techs. Techs: stop whining about the couple of engineer who were dicks to you and make it seem like every engineer has 1" thick glasses and can't deal with people to save their lives... I know there's some, but they're definately in the minority.

And fuck, I can't believe this pissing match is still going on. It should've ended with this post by brendan half a page ago:

Umm, not all Power Engineers have a Technologist role lol.

At my company, you can be a Superintendent. We have two superintendents that do the same job, one is a Professional Engineer, the other is a Power Engineer.

Some Power Engineers have design and construction jobs, Turbine Specialists, etc. Like you said some are EXACTLY the same.

Yet we are called Engineers, not Technologists, or else that would be what the government called us.

But, I really don't care, I just like to piss people off.

[90_Shelby]

Originally posted by arian_ma


AND we learned how to copy 3 assignments at once while typing in answers to tomorrow's MT in our calculators. How can you lose?

Haha, JK , I am a soon-to-be Mechanical Engineer. Looking to get my masters after that.

It's funny cause it's true!!

[The Cosworth]

Originally posted by Mangina

HAHA

Which side are you taking Mangina?!?