China destroys Mosque for not supporting the Olympics

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by Destinova403


cite your source?

The CIA has a policy to insight and encourage instability in regions where regime change and instability would be in their best interests.
They have a well established history of this, from Europe to Latin America.

The Dalai Lama received a couple million a year from the CIA in the '60's, as a cold war tactic to support instability and revolt of the Chinese government in Tibet.

P.S. Milosovic was a filty, sick piece of shit and I hope his death was long, lonely, painful, and incredibly frightning.

P.P.S. I hope the same happens to the rest of the Serbs who set up camps to perform mass rapes and executions on their quest for power.

P.P.P.S. I've got a friend with a couple circular scars, a chipped hip bone, and some really shitty fucking memories of working "kid snatching duty" that would likely agree with my sentiments.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Toms-SC




What was that? I can't hear you over Toma.

[rmk]

[Subwoofah]

The USA has its own problems and downsides. But at least they are allowed to voice their opinions. On the other side of the pond, if you want to voice your concerns or opinions, you can do that during ur interrogation and jail time. You pointed out that the US did a lot of stuff and that China should be allowed to as well. Why would you want China to become like the US if they are so bad?

What do you mean by, "as bad as the "media" makes them sound"? Which bad thing are you talking about?

[Subwoofah]

Here are video's on Youtube about Tibetan/CIA resistance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwu5qYosTo0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2iaI...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJYam...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FviST...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yMV0...eature=related

Tibetans asked for foreign aid against China. Tibetans got in contact with the CIA who trained and supported them. There was no need to convince them to fight against China because they were already fighting.

Things heat up when your belief and ideals are being destroyed.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Subwoofah
The USA has its own problems and downsides. But at least they are allowed to voice their opinions. On the other side of the pond, if you want to voice your concerns or opinions, you can do that during ur interrogation and jail time.

Well that's what socialism and communism brings to the table. Are you saying the rest of the world should be like us? Just because we have a right to voice our opinions doesn't mean other countries and governments have to offer that right.

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by rage2
Just because we have a right to voice our opinions doesn't mean other countries and governments have to offer that right.

Yeah they do cause some guys in a small town in France said so

[holden]

Originally posted by rage2

Well that's what socialism and communism brings to the table. Are you saying the rest of the world should be like us? Just because we have a right to voice our opinions doesn't mean other countries and governments have to offer that right.

I'm saying my relatives shouldn't be persecuted for what they believe in.

Although I agree with you that we can't force our values onto other people, I believe some things are universal. In your earlier post, you seem to believe that if a large majority believe in something, then it doesn't matter what happens to the minority.

Originally posted by rage2

That may not be acceptable to our society's beliefs, but in China, it's accepted when the other 1.4 billion people are happy about it. What gives you the right to enforce your beliefs on others?

There has to be some sort of basic rights to protect all people. Even in a democracy, the majority can't do whatever it wants. With your train of thought, if 50 million Germans supported their government, and if that government wanted to kill off a few million Jewish people, well then, who are the rest of the world to do anything about it, "they are happy about it".

[Subwoofah]

Originally posted by rage2

Well that's what socialism and communism brings to the table. Are you saying the rest of the world should be like us? Just because we have a right to voice our opinions doesn't mean other countries and governments have to offer that right.

Yeah you're right, communism and socialism does have its upsides. The ideal world would be one government, one religion, one country, one people, one idea, etc, but thats not gonna happen unless theres some sort of unifying event (like discovering aliens/space travel or a nuclear war or whateva).

If people can't express opinions, how do we determine what is the truth and what isn't? Do we rely on the media (which we agree is biased everywhere)? Other peoples comments or outlandish conspiracy theories? Do we trust the government and what they say?

Nah... I'd rather hear it from the victims or survivors from that event about what really went down. The people suffering are the ones that can answer the questions. What if these people arent allowed to leave the country or are imprisoned? Well then you'd never hear the truth.

[MaLwa]

The CIA does have a long history of asserting American influence on foreign soil. It has backed a lot of governments and regimes, and at times ignoring the nature of the regimes they supported.

The Tibetans on the other hand are not fundamentalists, terrorists or religious zealots. They are upset at the systematic attempts to stamp out their religion by the Chinese government. The Dalai Lama has been exiled, he cannot even step foot in his home country. What has the Dalai Lama done to deserve this?

China also supports the spread of communism around east asia. Maoist parties are springing up in Nepal, India, Vietnam, etc. In Nepal, through intimidation and violence they have succeeded in taking control of the government. (Human rights watch has released many reports, along with local newspapers and various other Journals).

I know you have a severe distaste for the CIA Toma, but the Chinese aren't exactly sugar, spice and everything nice! And by the Chinese I don't mean the people, but the Communist regime.

[MaLwa]

Originally posted by TKRIS
[B]

The Dalai Lama received a couple million a year from the CIA in the '60's, as a cold war tactic to support instability and revolt of the Chinese government in Tibet.

I have donated money to the Dalai Lama, does that mean I support instability and revolt against the Chinese government?

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by MaLwa


I have donated money to the Dalai Lama,

That was dumb, IMO.

Originally posted by MaLwa
does that mean I support instability and revolt against the Chinese government?

Yes, in part.
As you've said, the Dalai Lama is looking to get Tibet back. If that were to happen, it would seriously errode the Chinese governments power and put a chink in their chain (see what I did there? Yeah, I'm horrible).

I'm all for fucking China's shit up, for both economical and global stability reasons.
That said, I certainly don't endorse the Lama class system or Dalai Lama.

I don't like commies (even fake ones), and I don't like slavery.

EDIT: Of course, none fo the CIA stuff is relevant anymore, as it happened a long ass time ago, failed, and the world has changed a lot since then.

[MaLwa]

IMO your dumb.

Where did I say that the Dalai Lama is looking to get Tibet back? Your just and ill informed stooge. The Chinese government isn't against stamping out rebellion in Tibet (because realistically there isn't very much instability in the region). They want to forcibly implement their doctrine and stamp out religion all together.

WTF is a Lama class system?

Where the fuck did slavery come from? Who's even talking about slavery? Thanks for letting everyone know your against it, talk about irrelevant.

I have no problem with Communists, Capitalists, or whatever. I don't support the double standard where USA is made to be the bad guy while China can carry out the same tactics in South Asia.

Ah "chink in the chain" how witty and clever of you. Maybe a few more anecdotes will let us know how everyone is trying to get all into chinas shit dawg. Woot Woot!

[Toma]

Originally posted by MaLwa


The Tibetans on the other hand are not fundamentalists, terrorists or religious zealots. ..... What has the Dalai Lama done to deserve this?
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Accepted money from the CIA to fund his terrorist army... duh!

The dobdobs (Tibetan fightin Monks) were stronger then the Tibetan Army, and thus wielded significant influence over politics (again, those peaceful monks having guns and fucking in politics! What's with that?)

And of course, during Chinas attempt to quash the feuadalism and slavery in Tibet in the 50's, the Dalai Lama using CIA money funded the 20,000+ Monks that stirred the uprising and fought the Chinese Army....

The United States funded training and arms for the guerrillas in Tibet and the United States prior to the uprising and for several years following. From 1959 to 1964, Tibetan guerrillas were secretly trained at Camp Hale by the CIA. [4]

The Tibetan project was codenamed ST Circus, and it was similar to the CIA operation that trained dissident Cubans in what later became the Bay of Pigs Invasion. In all, around 259 Tibetans were trained at Camp Hale. Some were parachuted back into Tibet to link up with local resistance groups (most perished); others were sent overland into Tibet on intelligence gathering missions; and yet others were instrumental in setting up the CIA-funded Tibetan resistance force that operated out of Mustang, in northern Nepal (1959-1974).

So yeah.... anyway.... Like I said, I woulda publicly hung the fucker for escalating the instability that led to even more deaths.

[Toma]

Originally posted by TKRIS



EDIT: Of course, none fo the CIA stuff is relevant anymore, as it happened a long ass time ago, failed, and the world has changed a lot since then.

The rest was pretty good.... but now you are saying the CIA and the US have "changed" their tune?

hold on... let me compose myself.... yeah.... that;s what I thought.... buawahahahahahhahaaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahha lol

[MaLwa]

^^ I hope you didn't get that source from wikipedia.

Anyways by not means am I an expert on the topic, but being the person I am. I find the idea of Justice to be the supreme goal of all nations. Tibetans are considered Chinese citizens and they should be treated the same as there fellow countrymen.

There is a severe lack of Tibetans on government payrolls in Tibet and that sends out negative signals to the populace. It is especially a bad move when you are trying to change the mindset of a group of people. The government comes off as untrustworthy and corrupt.

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by MaLwa
IMO your dumb.

Hahaha.

Originally posted by MaLwa
Where did I say that the Dalai Lama is looking to get Tibet back? Your just and ill informed stooge. The Chinese government isn't against stamping out rebellion in Tibet (because realistically there isn't very much instability in the region). They want to forcibly implement their doctrine and stamp out religion all together.

You did read the part of my post (which you quoted) that said "In the 60's" right?

Originally posted by MaLwa
WTF is a Lama class system?
Where the fuck did slavery come from? Who's even talking about slavery? Thanks for letting everyone know your against it, talk about irrelevant.

One in which the Lama's live in luxury while the rest of the populace are essentially slaves.

From "God is Not Great":
In exactly the same way as a medieval princeling, he [the Dalai Lama] makes the claim not just that Tibet should be independent of Chinese hegemony---a "perfectly good" demand, if I may render it into everyday English---but that he himself is a hereditary king appointed by heaven itself. How convenient! Dissenting sects within his faith are persecuted; his one-man rule in an Indian enclave is absolute; he makes absurd pronouncements about sex and diet and, when on his trips to Hollywood fund-raisers, anoints major donors like Steven Segal and Richard Gere as holly.

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...the first foriegn visitors to Tibet were downright appalled at the feudal domination, and hideous punishments, that kept the population in permanent serfdom to a parasitic monastic elite.

Originally posted by MaLwa

I have no problem with Communists, Capitalists, or whatever. I don't support the double standard where USA is made to be the bad guy while China can carry out the same tactics in South Asia.

Where have I done so?
Don't prop up strawmen.

Originally posted by MaLwa
Ah "chink in the chain" how witty and clever of you. Maybe a few more anecdotes will let us know how everyone is trying to get all into chinas shit dawg. Woot Woot!

1.) It was a joke. Perhaps the stick you've rammed up your ass has damaged your sense of humor.
2.) That isn't an anacdote.
3.) You can mock my english as soon as you learn simple contractions, how to properly use articles, capitalization, and the definitions of the words you're using. I'm not nitpicking, because I usually just let all that shit go, but if you're going to try to make me out to be some sort of "and (?) ill informed stooge", then perhaps you should first make sure your own house is in order.

[eb0i]

Originally posted by Eleanor


Yeah they do cause some guys in a small town in France said so

[TKRIS]

Originally posted by Toma

The rest was pretty good.... but now you are saying the CIA and the US have "changed" their tune?

hold on... let me compose myself.... yeah.... that;s what I thought.... buawahahahahahhahaaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahha lol

Nope.
I'm sure they'd still love it if somehow the Tibetans managed to overthrow Chinese rule and cause all sorts of problem over there.
But that boat has sailed.

My argument isn't that they don't want to, it's that they no longer can (at least not in the same way). Time, and political shift, has rendered that option obsolete.

[szw]

Hey why is everybody talking about tibet? What about the poor Uyghur's who started the OP article???? Oh thats right, its because nobody can pronounce their name!