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    By Kristine Owram, The Canadian Press

    TORONTO - The federal and Ontario governments have agreed to provide up to $3.3 billion for the Canadian auto industry, but the bailout comes with the potential for thousands of job cuts.

    Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement said late Friday the two Canadian governments have agreed to provide the equivalent of 20 per cent of the US$14 billion that the Bush administration is considering in emergency aid for General Motors, Ford and Chrysler.

    Clement said the main restructuring will be done in the United States, but Canada is also prepared to provide help to save the troubled industry, which employs hundreds of thousands of people in direct and spinoff jobs in Ontario.

    "What we are signalling here tonight, both the governments of Ontario and Canada, is that we want to be part of the solution as well and it will be commensurate with the production that takes place here in Canada . . . about 20 per cent." Clement told reporters.

    That works out to about US$2.8 billion or C$3.3 billion at current exchange rates, of the proposed US$14 billion American bailout package.

    The Detroit Three currently employ more than 30,000 people at car assembly and parts plants in Ontario. If the U.S. carmakers cut that number of jobs in North America as they restructure their huge operations, a 20 per cent proportional cut in Canada could mean the loss of 6,000 direct jobs and more in spinoff employment at suppliers and other businesses.

    GM, Ford and Chrysler have already cut thousands of jobs from their Ontario operations under earlier streamlinings, including GM plans to close a pickup truck plant in Oshawa in May and a transmission plant in Windsor in 2010.

    Clement emphasized that the aid package is not a "blank cheque" for the industry.

    "This is about conditional support based on their long-term plans, based on them working with the parts suppliers, based on the unions being at the table, based on the United States continuing to be part of the solution, so there are some conditions," he said.

    The minister added that Canadian support is contingent on the U.S. passing its own aid package, but added he expects the Bush administration to announce its own bailout plan "very soon" after the U.S. Senate rejected an earlier proposal.

    "The federal and the Ontario governments are prepared to move quickly if and when the Americans approve a support package," Clement said.

    Clement wouldn't give any details Friday of how the funding would be divided between the federal and Ontario governments.

    The Canadian Auto Workers union welcomed the commitment.

    "This is a very positive announcement by the two governments," said Jim Stanford, a CAW economist. "I think this will help to get the log jam rolling in the U.S."

    There will be more auto jobs lost in Canada, but Stanford wouldn't speculate on specific numbers.

    "Hopefully with the governments moving as quickly as they are, this will prevent the worse case scenario, which would be a total meltdown of the auto industry," he said.

    Ford's Canadian arm also praised Clement's announcement.

    "The Canadian and Ontario governments have demonstrated strong leadership in the decision to support the country's auto sector," Ford said in a news release issued Friday.

    The move by Canadian politicians comes after the U.S. Senate late Thursday rejected a US$14 billion plan, endorsed by President George Bush and congressional Democrats, that would have provided quick loans to the Detroit automakers.

    On Friday, GM, Ford and Chrysler were talking with the administration and the U.S. Federal Reserve about how they could still get the billions of dollars they say they need to survive. The talks included conditions that automakers would have to meet, said GM spokesman Greg Martin.

    The administration said no decisions had been made on the size or duration of the new bailout plan, or what type of concessions might be demanded from the struggling automakers, their workers, stockholders or others.

    Both the federal and Ontario governments had been reluctant to hand out any aid without first seeing the details of a comparable U.S. package so they can match any conditions and provide a proportional amount of funding.

    The need for some form of aid seemed to increase in urgency Friday as domestic and Japanese automakers in Canada announced they will cut production and extend temporary layoffs.

    General Motors (NYSE:GM) said it will shut down virtually all of its North American plants for January, cutting another 250,000 vehicles from its first-quarter production schedule by temporarily closing 21 factories.

    Some production, however, will continue at GM's plants in Ontario, said Stew Low, spokesman for General Motors of Canada.

    The Oshawa, Ont., truck plant will be down during the first week of January but has no more scheduled down time until the middle of March, Low said.

    Gary Coad, a father of two with twins on the way, said Friday was his last day of work after he was laid off from GM's Oshawa plant. He said he'd be willing to do whatever he could to keep his job, including taking a pay cut.

    "Jobs are so hard to come by I would do whatever they want," he said.

    But he remained optimistic.

    "I think it'll eventually come around," he said. "Not like it used to be, but I think I'll be back here in a couple of years. I'm very optimistic that way."

    Meanwhile, Japanese automaker Honda Motor Co. said it is cutting more production in North America as it adjusts to lower demand, but does not plan any layoffs in Canada.

    Lewenza said the CAW has not yet been asked to make any specific concessions, unlike the United Auto Workers, who were widely blamed Friday for the U.S. Senate's defeat of the aid package when they rejected upfront pay and benefit concessions.

    He added that wage cuts for autoworkers won't solve the financial problems of the Detroit Three, but said he's willing to work with the automakers to develop a solution to their woes.

    The Detroit Three automakers had been seeking a total of $6.8 billion in loans and credit lines from Ottawa and Ontario, saying they need some of that money before the end of the year as they struggle with a worsening economy.

    The automakers have said that without a bailout, they will soon run out of cash and could collapse.

    Chrysler could declare bankruptcy within "a few days" if the White House fails to intervene and provide automakers with emergency funds, and GM will likely follow suit, according to one industry analyst.

    This would set off a chain reaction that would put thousands of Canadians out of work, Joe D'Cruz, a professor at the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management, said in an interview.

    "It's going to be a very turbulent environment," D'Cruz said.

    "It is going to trigger a really wide-scale set of changes in the Canadian automotive industry."
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    good news for those in ontario/quebec, but i still think heavy restrictions need to be put in place for returns on the loan and possible limitations for the future.

    i really don't think the conservatives have a lot of choice in the matter, if they shut out one of the main source of jobs in ontario they would lose a ton of votes that they need.
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    Just preventing bankruptcy. When they go under, how will they pay back the loan?
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    Originally posted by Canmorite
    Just preventing bankruptcy. When they go under, how will they pay back the loan?
    Thats what I want to know. This is fairly irritating if the government of Canada and Ontario expect the big three to actually turn their ships around.

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    I dont think "bail out" is the proper question... rather "should the govt provide conditional loans to auto manuf" .


    They wont get the money in one big lump sum, so there are checks every so often to see how they have progressed with their fiscal prudence.

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    I'm not shocked that Harper did this, under the circumstances his "government" is in right now. Still, don't they rely on what the States do anyway? Since they aren't doing the bailout package down there, how is that going to affect Canada when a million people (or whatever) that worked for the big 3 in the States are out of a job?

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    Imagine a bankrupt government with an incredible debt lending money to save a bankrupt industry. I'd have a little more faith in bailouts if the money was coming from a source who were themselves responsible with money.

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    I thought that they were only going to give them the bailout if the US bailout was approved, which it wasn't?
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    You know what this means, Since canada is going ahead with the funds and the US is not, the auto makers will be moving all operations to canada, while anything auto collapses south of the border. We will become thee world power in the automotive industry, both in terms of production and sales.

    ...yes.

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    however it is not forsure that in the states the bailout isnt happening.

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    Why would you bail out a company with a loan + interest when the company can't even manage its business without interest. It'll just put them more into debt. Job cuts are a part of life.

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    Originally posted by Supa Dexta
    You know what this means, Since canada is going ahead with the funds and the US is not, the auto makers will be moving all operations to canada, while anything auto collapses south of the border. We will become thee world power in the automotive industry, both in terms of production and sales.

    ...yes.
    Now, while I seriously doubt it... wouldn't that be cool?

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    think of it this way, since the US ins't going to help the big 3 but canada will, the government will now own the big 3
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    Default Re: Harper & Ontario Liberals to bail out Big 3 in Canada

    Originally posted by eljefe
    By Kristine Owram, The Canadian Press

    TORONTO - The federal and Ontario governments have agreed to provide up to $3.3 billion for the Canadian auto industry, but the bailout comes with the potential for thousands of job cuts.
    Is that even going to cover the Big 3's CEO yearly bonus's?

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    Default Re: Re: Harper & Ontario Liberals to bail out Big 3 in Canada

    Originally posted by Tik-Tok


    Is that even going to cover the Big 3's CEO yearly bonus's?
    They asked for 7b... we offered half

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    Originally posted by adam c
    think of it this way, since the US ins't going to help the big 3 but canada will, the government will now own the big 3
    Who are more upside down then the homeowners who bought two condos at the top of the market. These are not assets Canada needs haha
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    Originally posted by mx73someday
    Imagine a bankrupt government with an incredible debt lending money to save a bankrupt industry. I'd have a little more faith in bailouts if the money was coming from a source who were themselves responsible with money.
    Ok, I'm imagining it.

    So now, what do I do with this imaginary scenario?

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    I do not have a problem with senior debt facilities based on strict requirements.

    However- this begs the question mentioned above: How the F are these companies going to pay back the money in a recession when no one is buying cars? They could not maket the company profitable when times were great...how are they going to convince us that they have / will change and do something that makes them profitable?

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