Kramer Mazda Fraud!

[mazdafan77]

Just a heads up for anyone planning to purchase a vehicle from Kramer Mazda in Calgary. I bought my CX-7 from Kramer Mazda. The salesman was amazing! no problems there. But when i purchased my vehicle they never gave me a inspection sheet with the car. A week down the road i have had to take it back to the dealership cause the car shakes like hell. I asked the used car manager for a copy of the inspection sheet. He neglected to provide the inspection report.
SO i take the car in to get an inspection done. The car had no balancing done, there is a damaged oil pan, they tried to blame me for "repairing" the oil pan.

While they were doing the inspection i stood at the window to watch the mechanic do the inspection.

I got the inspection back and they said that everything is fine except the damaged oil pan. So i booked the car to have it come back in the next day to get it fixed. They have the car all day and they call me to tell me the suspension is fucked.
so i refer to my inspection sheet and the mechanic checked off saying the suspension is fine. They were also the people who tried to repair my oil pan but fucked it up and made it worse.

So long story short they sold me a vehicle without a saftey inspection.

They misled me saying that the vehicle was inspected and everything is good> but really the vehicle has some major work to be done on it. Carfax report comes back with a totally clean title.

I feel that they frauded me by selling me a vehicle that wasnt up to spec.
Can anyone give me further info about selling a car without an inspection
Its a 2008 CX-7 with 30 000 kms

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[ercchry]

should have got a 3rd party inspection done.... why would you trust the people selling the car to you that it is fine

call amvic and see what they have to say

[BlackArcher101]

It is YOUR responsiblity to do a 3rd party inspection if they don't provide one before the sale is final.

I don't think there is any fraud here. Carfax is useless btw, get a carproof.net report ASAP.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Third party inspections are not required when purchasing the vehicle from a dealership. The dealership is required to do their own inspection and repair anything that needs to be repaired before they can put the vehicle up for sale. I'm not sure what could be messed up on the suspension and oil pan since the car is just over a year old but regardless it should all be under warranty.

[whiskas]

My guess is the car smoked a curb and they did a crappy job repairing it. Carfax is useless in Canada, get a report from carproof.

[Generic]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
Third party inspections are not required when purchasing the vehicle from a dealership. The dealership is required to do their own inspection and repair anything that needs to be repaired before they can put the vehicle up for sale. I'm not sure what could be messed up on the suspension and oil pan since the car is just over a year old but regardless it should all be under warranty.

bingo

[ShermanEF9]

Similar thing happed to my mom in the early days of south deerfoot suzuki. Inspection came back with brake pads at 90% life left, two weeks later theres a grinding and the brakepads were so worn out they destroyed the rotors. Just goes to show never trust a dealership

[skylinegtr20]

It is Illegal for a company to sell a motor vehicle in Alberta without a Inspection. Contact AMVIC asap and they will get everything sorted out for you.

In the end AMVIC will make them pay for the repairs and likely fine them a large amount of cash.

[adam c]

when will you people listen and STOP USING CARFAX jesus christ

how many times does it have to be said over and over again NOT TO USE CARFAX, IT'S AMERICAN
USE CARPROOF IT'S CANADIAN

[ricosuave]

isnt there a 'walk away' clause of 7 days in every dealership vehicle sale or something?

[Nix87]

Originally posted by skylinegtr20
It is Illegal for a company to sell a motor vehicle in Alberta without a Inspection. Contact AMVIC asap and they will get everything sorted out for you.

In the end AMVIC will make them pay for the repairs and likely fine them a large amount of cash.

I work at Kramer, i'm not the salesperson in the situation, but Kramer does provide Carproof reports with all used vehicles and all the customers do sign a large stamp on every bill of sale saying they recieved a true copy of the inspection. Why you would sign that and take delivery without the inspection in hand is beyond me...

[skylinegtr20]

It doesn't matter if he signed anything or not. It's up to the dealership to supply all paperwork and have everything in proper order to sell the vehicle. If an inspection form is left out, its up to the dealership to make it available and it is up to the dealership to have the vehicle up to proper standards & state anything the vehicle might need.

mazdafan I suggest contacting AMVIC, stating what happened and they will take it from there.

Good luck.

[justincalgary]

It is the responsibility of the dealership to provide a certificate of mechanical inspection...but they aren't responsible to fix it.

All that they have to do is let you know what is wrong and then it is up to you to buy or not.

Since they didn't do this, AMVIC will do an investigation and easily take your side on this and have them re-imburse any costs to you and give them a fine.

[2EFNFAST]

How good can an inspection really be though?

When I traded my mustang in it was back on the lot and 'mechanically certified' within days.

Unfortunately the tranny was almost finished because of a shift kit, and the speedo was off by 10% (i went to steeper gearing and never bothered to have it re-tuned/re-speedo-geared). Great inspection

[Nix87]

Originally posted by skylinegtr20
It doesn't matter if he signed anything or not. It's up to the dealership to supply all paperwork and have everything in proper order to sell the vehicle. If an inspection form is left out, its up to the dealership to make it available and it is up to the dealership to have the vehicle up to proper standards & state anything the vehicle might need.

mazdafan I suggest contacting AMVIC, stating what happened and they will take it from there.

Good luck.

Your right it is up to the dealership, I believe an inspection was eventually supplied, while the issues are at discretion between the customer and the service department, signing a document stating you recieved something and not having it in hand is odd. It's like signing a bill of sale and not taking the car....i'm sure it will eventually be solved to the customers satisfaction.

[FilthyMcNasty]

Ya i heard the mechanic there is gay. His name starts with an L.

[justincalgary]

Originally posted by FilthyMcNasty
Ya i heard the mechanic there is gay. His name starts with an L.

What are you 10 years old???

[Mr_ET]

Originally posted by ricosuave
isnt there a 'walk away' clause of 7 days in every dealership vehicle sale or something?

there is if the buyer is still within that timeframe get them to fix anything that is wrong free of charge. After that you're SOL if the car has damage other than something covered under warranty and normal wear.

[President Obama]

I work in the shop there but am not entitled to say what happened with this car due to losing my job. A friend called me up telling me about this thread and I did not know it was yours till he explained the problems with the car and it clicked which cx-7 it was.

But i would like to know what suspension was damaged. but once again am not entitled to say what i believe is right or wrong.