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    Race gap recorded in classroom performance

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    TENILLE BONOGUORE AND KATE HAMMER

    From Saturday's Globe and Mail

    February 28, 2009 at 12:45 AM EST

    Almost all parents in Toronto dream of sending their child to university, but achievement gaps between races that appear in Grade 3 and worsen through Grade 6 threaten to derail those hopes before some children even reach high school.

    Figures released by the Toronto District School Board Friday show striking gaps in pupil achievements: Children of East Asian descent outstrip their peers on standardized provincial tests, girls perform better than boys and children from lower-income families lag behind their richer classmates.

    Those achievement gaps must be closed for the sake of the children, TDSB officials said yesterday.

    "One of the findings here that is very stark is that 95 per cent of parents have exceedingly high expectations," board chairman John Campbell said.
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    "It's critical that all of our teachers and principals and vice-principals have the same high expectations for their students."

    A voluntary survey of 95,000 parents with children in classes from junior kindergarten to Grade 6 was conducted last spring.

    The results, released yesterday, show that East Asian pupils in Grade 3 are ahead of their classmates in reading, writing and mathematic ability, with 68 per cent reaching Level 3 or 4 — meaning they met or exceeded provincial standards — in tests for reading, 74 per cent for writing, and 85 per cent for math. White and South Asian pupils had the next-best pass rates.

    But at the other end, fewer than half of black, Latin American and Middle Eastern pupils were reaching the same levels.

    Only 37 per cent of Latin Americans and 43 per cent of black Grade 3 pupils passed reading.

    Of the children in Grade 6, East Asians were also ahead of their peers, recording even better pass rates (78, 83 and 86 per cent passed reading, writing and math). White pupils were marginally behind.

    At the other end were black pupils: 47 per cent passed reading, 55 per cent passed writing, and 37 per cent met provincial standards for math.

    The report noted "these discrepancies need to be studied further," and that factors such as parental presence in the home, parent educational background and household income "may account for some of the differences."

    "We can and must make a difference," TDSB director of education Gerry Connelly said.

    "There are some things we can control, and we can level the playing field."

    But clear messages of hope also rang through.

    A vast majority of parents said they were satisfied with their child's education and said their youngster feels welcome and safe at school.

    Ninety per cent of parents said they want their child to go to university.

    And the 43 per cent of TDSB pupils who did not learn English as a first language actually recorded better pass rates than their English-only classmates.

    But it's the social and economic diversity of Toronto itself that poses the most difficult challenge for the TDSB board and educators.

    Eighty per cent of pupils have one or both parents born outside of Canada, and half of them live in families earning less than $50,000 a year.

    "These results confirm much of what we know," Ms. Connelly said. "Poverty in this city is not new but it is growing at an alarming rate. This requires a call to action on all of our parts."

    Half of all parents said the nutrition program that currently delivers 17.5 million meals a year to school children should be expanded.

    The report also highlighted a need for investments in extracurricular activities, homework programs, vision and hearing testing, and early learning programs in order to better prepare new pupils.

    The information will be broken down to school level within two months, where it will help principals decide how to best address the achievement gaps in their classrooms.

    For Ms. Connelly, the information can't come soon enough.

    "If we can improve achievements in students at a very early age, it'll help as the kids go through school," she said.

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    Asians are good at school? Why is this news?
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    lol

    Asian parents want all their kids to be lawyers or doctors or at the very least, graduate University.There's no messing around. There's pressure

    The disappointment in my parents face when I told them I dropped out of U of C because I couldn't hack it and was going to SAIT. Total fail
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    First generation Asian parents are usually working the lower end jobs and of course they want their kids to become professionals. A lot this stems from the language barrier and they end up working in restaurants and other Asian establishments.

    Second + generations tend to have the "better" jobs that society accepts as "normal" but they also would like their kids to do better in ife.

    It's also bragging rights too, you always hear Asian people talking about their kids and what they do (if they are successful that is).

    Asian parents only want their kids to be:

    Doctors
    Lawyers
    Accountants
    Engineers

    It's just an Asian thing.

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    No surprise here. Same pressure exists with East Indian parents sometimes as well.

    I had a friend whose parents told him that if he didn't get into med school, that he would be disowned, as in dead to his parents.

    He told me about his one sister who had become the outcast and rebel of the family. I told him not to be ashamed - substance abuse and crime somehow affects us all at one point in our lives. He said no, she had decided to become an accountant and marry a white guy. That was enough to make her the badass of the family.

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    Lol is this a surprise? The black guys are busy dominating school sports and dating all the cute white chicks the school has to offer.

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    Originally posted by badatusrnames
    Same pressure exists with East Indian parents sometimes as well.
    we were talking about asians, from the continent asia, that india is a part of. We realize the same pressure exists.

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    No surprise here. Not to say that white people and other races do not have smart people, but I have gone to school with some very intelligent asian and east indian people..very hard working and from what I understand the pressure does come down from the parents for sure.

    That being said, no matter how book smart they are, many (not all) seriously lack social intelligence in my experience, which I find is an equally if not more desirable trait to have, yet nearly impossible to measure in a study.

    Trade offs I suppose.
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    Originally posted by 5hift
    Lol is this a surprise? The black guys are busy dominating school sports and dating all the cute white chicks the school has to offer.
    This man spits the fuckin' truth.

    And how does one explain the US presidency?

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    It's not an "Asian" thing, it's just the result of a very stringent selection process.

    Only the smartest from China get to immigrate to North America, so they will obviously impart a lot of that work ethic and high expectations onto their kids.

    It makes sense explaining why black kids in North America do so poorly in school as well... their ancestors were brought over as slaves and they've been repressed by white people for so long that education doesn't rank very high on the priorities list. What was it, 50 years since blacks were finally integrated into school? That's not even 3 generations. That Obama is president is frankly a little bit shocking.

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    ^^ Obama was raised by his white mother and white maternal grandparents. His black father was Kenyan, not the ancestor of a slave.

    I really wouldn't call him culturally African-American in the traditional sense... he didn't have the cultural burdens of being African-American holding him back I suppose.

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    It's not about being smart. It's about work ethic. Whoever works hard gets the grades, it's just that simple.

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    They also play violin, piano or the cello. So what?

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    Originally posted by TomcoPDR


    This man spits the fuckin' truth.

    And how does one explain the US presidency?

    +1

    As far as the Presidency thing goes, that guy has got some serious ambition (obviously). If you look through his life he's always been the leader / organizer of his group of peers.
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    Originally posted by 5hift
    Lol is this a surprise? The black guys are busy dominating school sports and dating all the cute white chicks the school has to offer.
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    Originally posted by richardchan2002
    It's not about being smart. It's about work ethic. Whoever works hard gets the grades, it's just that simple.
    LOL. I get the grades and I don't do shit. I've even recieved student of the term awards before University, and I didn't really do any studying or homework.

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    Originally posted by Hakkola


    LOL. I get the grades and I don't do shit. I've even recieved student of the term awards before University, and I didn't really do any studying or homework.
    Oh man it's going to suck when you have to start competing with people or in programs where intelligence is a given...

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    East asian student outperform blacks peers...

    OP must be black.

    correction
    East Asian student's outperform Black peers.
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    Originally posted by richardchan2002
    It's not about being smart. It's about work ethic. Whoever works hard gets the grades, it's just that simple.
    I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but some people are just smarter than others regardless of their race.
    Some of the Asians in my school are high 90's students but some of my white friends are smart too.
    I sleep in every class and I don't study for shit but I can seem to pull a 90 out of my ass.
    My friend studies really hard and shes getting 80s

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