Honda F1 is back -- return as Brawn GP

[Team_Mclaren]

not yet official, just several reports that Brawn and co. (including Fry unfortunately) took over and also convinced honda to continue with the team.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/2...-f1-deal-done/

all the drama of selling the team, and yet Fry likely fucked it over again

[buh_buh]

for Brackley F1

for Nick Fry

If it indeed is still Honda backing the outfit, they shouldve just not pulled out in the first place and not wasted these 3 months of R&D and testing. I suspect they were going to be midpack this year scoring consistent points, and instead they're most likely going to be a backmarker again.

[Mibz]

Word is that the team is on the verge of mutiny though...

I agree that, at best, they should've called 2009 a wash and just done 2010 right.

[buh_buh]

they can't really do it "right". They barely scraped together enough money to form a team this year. What makes you think they could put together enough money to develop a car for an entire year, then run it in 2010? I'm assuming Bernie threw money at this too, and I suspect he only did to get the full 20 cars on the grid for this year. I wouldn't be that surprised, in fact I'm pretty sure Brackley F1 won't be around next year unless someone does buy them out.

edit: just read the article, and indeed Bernie is funding it, so that pretty much confirms what I just said.

[Mibz]

Perhaps I'm confused as to how things work, but I assumed that with the intense cost cutting measures coming in for the 2010 season that a team could be run for less money than this season. They could save the money that they -would- have spent running the team this year and put it towards properly designing and testing a car for the 2010 season. Instead they're barely going to scrape by to keep the car running this season and probably won't be in any better shape next season because they're going to finish in the bottom 6 and nobody will want to give them money. On top of that, you've got a disgruntled team that is being forced to take pay cuts instead of redundancy packages so they may not be at 100%.

If I'm wrong about how these things work then so be it, I just ask that you let me know where I'm wrong.

[buh_buh]

I don't think we're really talking about the same thing. I think bottom line is Bernie wants 20 cars on the grid for Australia 29 days from today . That's the only reason he's throwing money at Brackley F1 regardless of cost savings. This isn't really a long term plan, just something to take care of this year, then "Honda" has all year to find another buyer, which is ultimately all Bernie cares about. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying he's probably going to lose more money by Brackley F1 not being on the grid than the amount he's "investing" in the team. He doesn't really care about the team's performance, he just wants cash in children's size 6 pants.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by Mibz
Perhaps I'm confused as to how things work, but I assumed that with the intense cost cutting measures coming in for the 2010 season that a team could be run for less money than this season. They could save the money that they -would- have spent running the team this year and put it towards properly designing and testing a car for the 2010 season. Instead they're barely going to scrape by to keep the car running this season and probably won't be in any better shape next season because they're going to finish in the bottom 6 and nobody will want to give them money. On top of that, you've got a disgruntled team that is being forced to take pay cuts instead of redundancy packages so they may not be at 100%.

If I'm wrong about how these things work then so be it, I just ask that you let me know where I'm wrong.

you have to realize that Honda is willing to continue funding the team because it would be cheaper to run the team this year than to scrape it all together (that is, if there isnt a buyer for the team, which is the case right now). They cant simply use the money for 2010 because that 100 million is obligated for this year regardless if they are running or not. You are looking at contracts that were signed last year (ie. Buttons salary) which still has to be paid regardless. In the end, Honda is saying that it'll cost almost the same with the cars running or not, so why not.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
you have to realize that Honda is willing to continue funding the team because it would be cheaper to run the team this year than to scrape it all together (that is, if there isnt a buyer for the team, which is the case right now). They cant simply use the money for 2010 because that 100 million is obligated for this year regardless if they are running or not. You are looking at contracts that were signed last year (ie. Buttons salary) which still has to be paid regardless. In the end, Honda is saying that it'll cost almost the same with the cars running or not, so why not.

That makes sense then. I figured it would cost them very little to call this year a wash, I didn't factor in obligations like contracts.

Thanks guys.

[rage2]

Rubens got his seat, and word is Senna is heading to DTM, with De La Rosa filling in as Rubens teammate thanks to Mercedes providing the engine last minute.

[buh_buh]

What do you mean PDLR filling in as teammate? Button's still got a contract.

DTM is where F1 drivers go to retire.
See: Ralf, Albers, Winkelhock.

Maybe Senna doesn't have what it takes, despite the sponsor frenzy the name would cause.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by rage2
Rubens got his seat, and word is Senna is heading to DTM, with De La Rosa filling in as Rubens teammate thanks to Mercedes providing the engine last minute.

Button is still racing as far as i know! he cut salary in half as well, unless you meant reserve driver?

on the other hand, it might be called Brawn Racing!! as that domain has just been purchased by his lawyer?!

[rage2]

err fawk, I meant BUTTON's got his seat. Rumor of 2nd seat going to PDLR, not Rubens. Sorry for the confusion.

[buh_buh]

after the confusion I went and did some reading and read from a few websites that Rubens got the second seat and indeed Senna to DTM. No mention of PDLR to Honda.

[buh_buh]

Button and Barrichello confirmed.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73522

[rage2]

Well that rumor's gone haha. Thx Kev.

[civic_stylez]

All the power and best of luck to them... theyre gonna need it....

[m10-power]

Awesome another team to lap and get in the way of championship deciding racing

[buh_buh]

So you want to see 4 cars on the grid?

[m10-power]

Na, rather watch racing with cars that started as street cars. F1 is alright, last year was one of the better years based on the races I watched. But to be honest Honda hasn't mattered in F1 for many years, now if Ferrari was to quite that would be a loss.

If the team can't compete, no point fielding it at that level just to fill the grid. Go spend the money where they can compete. F1 is going to have to drop it's standards or punish the successful to fill grids, that will be exciting...

Two wheeled racing is much better for spectating anyways, way more action.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by m10-power
Na, rather watch racing with cars that started as street cars. F1 is alright, last year was one of the better years based on the races I watched. But to be honest Honda hasn't mattered in F1 for many years, now if Ferrari was to quite that would be a loss.

If the team can't compete, no point fielding it at that level just to fill the grid. Go spend the money where they can compete. F1 is going to have to drop it's standards or punish the successful to fill grids, that will be exciting...

Two wheeled racing is much better for spectating anyways, way more action.

you need to educate yourself better with F1 then. i understand that there are many types of motorsport, but what you mentioned isnt what F1 is all about.