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    Default Insurance companies are expected to push for a 30% hike in auto premiums

    Insurance companies are expected to push for a 30% hike in auto premiums, a potential landmine the Tories didn't see coming

    By RICK BELL, SUN MEDIA

    Last Updated: 29th May 2009, 2:40am

    It's auto insurance rate-setting time again.

    And this time, as the sums are still being finalized, the lovely folks who send you the bill for premiums are expected to push for an increase in insurance premiums in the ballpark of 30%, effective Nov. 1.

    No surprise, really.

    Last year, after a Calgary judge struck down the province's $4,000 cap on minor injury claims, the insurers lobbied for a jump of 37% or $225 a year on basic coverage and, though some companies suggested a lower figure, it was almost all well into the double-digit territory.

    Eventually, the insurance rate board, put in their seats by the provincial government, acknowledged a 20% jump with the cap off but, in the end, granted a 5% increase, or about $30.

    Now realize, any hike is only on compulsory coverage, which is a little better than half the tab.

    Collision insurance rates are not set by the government and are only "monitored" by the board. So that's another hit.

    So now, the cap, kiboshed in the last provincial election leaving Premier Ed with some splainin' to do, is still off and everything is in limbo awaiting an appeal.

    But hearings on new rates will be held in less than three weeks and the new number for premiums is to be approved by the end of July. Not long now.

    Jim Rivait of the Insurance Bureau of Canada confirms his group's final math is just about done. He's not coughing up the calculus but he does say removal of the cap leaves insurance companies with liabilities up to $400 million a year and, unless the cap is put back on after getting a clean bill of health from the courts or after the province rewrites the regulation to make the judges happy, guess who will foot the bill?

    Time's up.

    "I don't care what number you're talking about, it will be significant to consumers," says Rivait. "This is not the time to be a gambler. Insurers are in the business of risk. They hope for the best and plan for the worst, they don't hope for the best and then just cross their fingers."

    He points to indications from the federal outfit regulating insurance companies citing "some potentially significant repercussions" since leading bean counters see Alberta insurance without a cap underpriced by 25%.

    He says along with the cost of not having a $4,000 cap on minor injury claims, there are increases in other bills but higher premiums are not -- he insists -- about insurance companies losing moolah in the meltdown. "Our companies made money. Not much. It doesn't give us a whole bunch of room."

    Rivait says they stuck their stash in low-risk investments and were "not big into the equity market."

    Alf Savage, head honcho at the rate board and a man not known to gobble down the arithmetic of the insurance crowd, won't comment before the hearings. But it is known the feeling of some on the board leans closer to no increase or a small one, unless the companies can really make their case.

    Last year, they couldn't. "We want to make sure auto insurance is a viable industry but also make sure the citizens of Alberta are protected," says Alf.

    Besides, can you imagine? A whacking of Alberta drivers is quite the political headache, even for a government so confident of being untouchable they think a huge issue is whether parents should have a right enshrined in law to pull their kids out of a class on evolution. Maybe the Tories should've spent time looking out for this landmine.

    Yes, remember a few years back, when people went snaky as insurance premiums smashed through the roof, along with profits?

    After much agitation, Ralph's crew set up the rate board and stabilized the situation, but for a price. In exchange for rates going down some, insurers scored a $4,000 cap on minor injury claims. A learned judge nixed the cap as unconstitutional. For a second year, the insurance companies want to make up the money.

    Brian (Wide Mouth) Mason, NDP No. 1 and shaker-upper of the status quo, says it's not about the cap. Insurers want us to cover their losses from gambling in the market.

    "It's time we stood up as drivers. I don't think the absence of a cap is driving insurance companies to the brink of financial ruin."

    Of course, the Tories also didn't look at that godless socialist public insurance.

    Yes, in inexpensive Saskatchewan, they face a 4.2% hike, the first one in nine years. Manitoba is also cheaper. So much for Ralph's promise Alberta's rates would meet or beat the rest of the West.

    The insurers here say it's apples and oranges because different provinces, especially ones with public plans, cover drivers differently.

    Well, in Alberta, unless somebody's calculator has gone wonky, something in the neighbourhood of a 30% premium hike is the opening bid. And how do you like them apples?

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    It's kind of like our private liquor stores: supposed to be cheaper, but Alberta now has the most expensive booze in the country.

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    The cost of living in Alberta is getting out of control. I'm getting tired of overpaying for everything.

    I will say though it's hard to go a week of driving to and from work where there isn't at least 3 - 4 fender benders on my commute and most in perfectly dry, clear conditions. Drivers simply are too distracted and the reprocussions of getting into accidenst aren't severe enough. Rather than focus on making money off speeders, the fines for getting into any sort of accident should be jacked up and possibly short term license suspensions added. Sitting at red lights amongst other cars you can just look around and see all these new cars with damaged front ends, bumpers, fenders, etc and we all end up paying for these repairs in the long run.

    I don't want to pile on asians but the women in particular need to learn that bumping into other cars and objects isn't part of a normal, daily commute.

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    Originally posted by heavyD


    I don't want to pile on asians but the women in particular need to learn that bumping into other cars and objects isn't part of a normal, daily commute.

    You can technically get a ticket for each window that's illegally tinted. So as above, if you're being an ass to the officer (or if he's just an ass to begin with), he can give you two. (or three tickets if you're dumb enough to tint the windshield of your BMW... but if you own a BMW you can't be stupid right?)
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    Any penny you have to work hard to get, you will consider as "cheapness"...if you hate people from overseas...why you stay in North America!

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    Originally posted by heavyD
    The cost of living in Alberta is getting out of control. I'm getting tired of overpaying for everything.

    I will say though it's hard to go a week of driving to and from work where there isn't at least 3 - 4 fender benders on my commute and most in perfectly dry, clear conditions. Drivers simply are too distracted and the reprocussions of getting into accidenst aren't severe enough.
    I'm honestly astounded by how bad calgary drivers actually are. I was in New York about a month ago, and I was amazed at how many risky moves the drivers/cabbies take there. New York drivers are easily the worst AND the best drivers I have ever seen. The lanes are more like guidelines, they will swerve into oncoming traffic if there is space to get ahead... and in the week I spent there and all of the cab rides I took and all the risky shit I saw, there were ZERO accidents. It was amazing.

    I get back to Calgary, on my drive home, deerfoot had 2 seperate accidents, and 1 on macleod trail south and this was at about 11 pm when the roads are more clear... just amazing how bad we are here with way more room!
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    Originally posted by 403Gemini
    I get back to Calgary, on my drive home, deerfoot had 2 seperate accidents, and 1 on macleod trail south and this was at about 11 pm when the roads are more clear... just amazing how bad we are here with way more room!
    Yep we are terrible drivers here. I'm pretty sure though if drivers were aware that they could lose their license they would possibly treat driving more like a responsibility rather than a mindless part of their day. A program where the driver at fault loses their license of a period of 30 days and has to pass a drivers test after seems almost too logical. We already see how people are slowing down at intersections where there are red light cameras, I'm willing to bet that some people would think twice about texting while driving if they knew there may be consequences but I'm probably giving these people too much credit as people seem to be so addicted to their cell phones in this day and age.

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    Originally posted by heavyD


    Yep we are terrible drivers here. I'm pretty sure though if drivers were aware that they could lose their license they would possibly treat driving more like a responsibility rather than a mindless part of their day. A program where the driver at fault loses their license of a period of 30 days and has to pass a drivers test after seems almost too logical.
    I wish that could happen
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    The problem here is that the auto industry would crumble even further if we got rid of 1/3 of the bad drivers on the road. How many autobody mechanics would lose their jobs, how many car saleman...

    I can't think of a way to properly punish people for being stupid without everyone else suffering.

    Oh one thing I think could help is to start removing safety features in cars. Get rid of the air bags and crumple zone and see how many people are willing to play bumper cars.

    Maybe make that the punishment - each accident you lose one of your safety features. We let darwin get rid of the stupid drivers that way.
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    ^^How many innocent drivers are killed as a result of bad drivers??
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    Originally posted by JeremyD
    The problem here is that the auto industry would crumble even further if we got rid of 1/3 of the bad drivers on the road. How many autobody mechanics would lose their jobs, how many car saleman...

    I can't think of a way to properly punish people for being stupid without everyone else suffering.

    Oh one thing I think could help is to start removing safety features in cars. Get rid of the air bags and crumple zone and see how many people are willing to play bumper cars.

    Maybe make that the punishment - each accident you lose one of your safety features. We let darwin get rid of the stupid drivers that way.
    and then a semi truck hits you and peace out

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    We are not doing the job of pricing bad drivers out of driving.

    Failure to provide insurance should be a 3 month jail sentence.

    And each at fault accident should double your rate.

    If you want insurance to be cheap, you got to get the irresponsible people out.

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    Its not at all bad yet.

    Now California is bad - they just had a 77% increase in car tax last year - And Shwarzenegger is trying to push a 300% increase this year.

    Talk about putting a nail in the coffin of the auto industry.

    Air quality is absolute shit in LA - if you believe the readings - LA is actually worse in air quality particulate matter than Beijing is.
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    since i moved to sask about 3 years ago from calgary i can honestly say public insurance is the way to go. my policy costs in alberta with no accidents and 4 demerits on my car and van were over $3200 per year just for PLPD with aviva. here with my autopak and extended coverage im paying $1700.00 per year,

    1200 for my car 500 for my van.

    im a safe driver but in calgary it was impossible to be rewarded for being so, and not to mention the mentality was in fear of ever having to make a claim even if it wasnt your fault.

    If its the law to have it it should not be privatized.

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    Originally posted by stevieo


    and then a semi truck hits you and peace out
    This isn't about fatalities its about the cost of insurance. Small fender benders cost an average of $1000 or more and there are hundreds of these every week in this city. Throw in the phantom back injuries and headaches and it gets even higher. Why should a person like myself which has never been in an accident have to subsidize poor drivers? The penalties for getting into minor traffic accidents aren't severe enough to make drivers think about changing their habits. Lawmakers focus on speeders because they bring in cash for the city. Suspending licenses isn't going make near as much money.

    We all know drinking and driving is a poor, careless choice but honestly all the vehicles is see swerving back and forth are people talking on cell phones and not paying attention. Both acts can yield the same result of an accident yet one have severe punishment while the other none at all.

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    Originally posted by qcp1
    since i moved to sask about 3 years ago from calgary i can honestly say public insurance is the way to go. my policy costs in alberta with no accidents and 4 demerits on my car and van were over $3200 per year just for PLPD with aviva. here with my autopak and extended coverage im paying $1700.00 per year,

    1200 for my car 500 for my van.

    im a safe driver but in calgary it was impossible to be rewarded for being so, and not to mention the mentality was in fear of ever having to make a claim even if it wasnt your fault.

    If its the law to have it it should not be privatized.
    Screw that. Zero demerits, speeding tickets, accidents. I pay $500/year MORE in BC than I did in Alberta. The ONLY thing I can say for public insurance is that since everybody has it, the claims process when I get rear ended is smooth as can be.

    The main problem, in my mind, about BC insurance is the "minimum" coverage is $200,000 liability. Meaning basically nothing. I actually have to pay $25/year EXTRA to protect myself against people who only buy the BASIC policy! How retarded is that?!
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    Originally posted by 97'Scort

    The main problem, in my mind, about BC insurance is the "minimum" coverage is $200,000 liability. Meaning basically nothing. I actually have to pay $25/year EXTRA to protect myself against people who only buy the BASIC policy! How retarded is that?!
    Minimum Third Party Liability in Alberta is $200,000 too.

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    Originally posted by tom_9109


    Minimum Third Party Liability in Alberta is $200,000 too.
    To up from 200,000 to 1 million in Sask is only an extra $100 per year, on ANY vehicle which also includes comprehensive coverage and glass except windshield.

    Here this might be fun for some you guys!

    Find out what your rates are in saskatchewan.

    http://www.sgi.sk.ca:8080/VehicleFeeCalculator/make.do

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    Originally posted by qcp1
    since i moved to sask about 3 years ago from calgary i can honestly say public insurance is the way to go. my policy costs in alberta with no accidents and 4 demerits on my car and van were over $3200 per year just for PLPD with aviva. here with my autopak and extended coverage im paying $1700.00 per year,

    1200 for my car 500 for my van.

    im a safe driver but in calgary it was impossible to be rewarded for being so, and not to mention the mentality was in fear of ever having to make a claim even if it wasnt your fault.

    If its the law to have it it should not be privatized.
    Insurance works by assessing the risk you, as a driver, pose on the road.

    Age goes up, rates tend to come down for a while. Mine have dropped every year I've been in Calgary.

    Companies like SGI and MPI end up subsidizing shitty drivers through higher premiums for good drivers. Someone with no accidents can pay exactly the same as someone with an accident or two on their record. Fair? I don't think so.
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