RCMP, dozens of CPS, K9, HAWCS, a locked down mall - how the hell did they get away?!

[Hamann]

Flip it, if the CPS had continued with the Vehicle pursuit instead of only following with the Helicopter there would have been a exponentially greater chance of collateral damage (being loss of innocent life or a massive lawsuit against the city) and then 90% of the people in this thread would be saying why didn't they just pull back, get over it, 2 Car Theives got away, big deal. Atleast this way i don't have to hear everyone saying the CPS put citizens in danger and look what happened.

And their 2 car theives running from the cops, they were of no danger to anyone in the mall, while running from the cops the stupidest thing you can do is stop and grab a hostage.



I say Props to the CPS for not trying to emulate the "I can be on the TV" sheriffs in the states.

[06civic]

I guess this ends the whole you can't outrun the radio argument

[tarrantas]

In a sealed mall, I could find the guys. There must have been eyewitnesses....?

[Stealth22]

Originally posted by tarrantas
In a sealed mall, I could find the guys. There must have been eyewitnesses....?

Ever stop to think that the mall WASN'T sealed? It takes a hell of a lot of cops to seal a mall of that size. In the time needed to get that many cops on the scene, the bad guys could get away, especially having changed clothes, because I don't think the CPS had perfect descriptions of these guys if you don't include the clothing.

[JustGo]

People are making it seem like the CPS planned to have bodies on hand for this event.

It's not like they had a week to set aside 20 car crews for this chase. It is a dynamic situation, where most cars in the city are tied up doing something probably 80% of the time. That leaves at MOST 20% of cars free to deal with new stuff, then that expands to probably 40-50% when guys can clear up what they're doing quickly to help out.

50% of the cars in the district, on any given day, isn't enough to really shut down that whole mall. I'm not sure the exact scenario in this case, but I would imagine guys from other districts were yanked over to help out.

That being said, my original point still stands, this is a dynamic, ever changing situation, and everyone here has had a few days to think of what they would do differently.

It's a whole new ball game when you're planning on the fly, and don't have 3 days to sit on an internet forum and debate other options.

[TurboMedic]

Originally posted by phil98z24


...and ended them without 01 knowing? Hahah, haven't we all... unofficially of course. Sometimes in the interests of doing the right thing you have to push it a bit, so I'm with you on that one.

I'm going to shoot you a PM.

Hey at least you guys have support from 01 when shit goes down, he's still one of you ......Our sierras shit on us for the smallest things......

[Eleanor]

Originally posted by Hamann
I say Props to the CPS for not trying to emulate the "I can be on the TV" sheriffs in the states.

Couple car thieves aren't worth a life.

[IntegraG2]

Originally posted by lilmira
They probably wrapped their heads with towels, put fake beard and shoe polish on their faces and walked right out.

wow did anyone else find this extremely racist????

[JustGo]

Originally posted by IntegraG2


wow did anyone else find this extremely racist????

If the guys were black, and he had said 'they ran inside, covered their faces in flour, grabbed a briefcase and walked out'... would THAT be racist?

He never really said anything derogatory. He described a disguise... nothing really RACIST.

I think the racist card is thrown around a little willy-nilly these days.

[psycoticclown]

Originally posted by JustGo

If the guys were black, and he had said 'they ran inside, covered their faces in flour, grabbed a briefcase and walked out'... would THAT be racist?

He never really said anything derogatory. He described a disguise... nothing really RACIST.

I think the racist card is thrown around a little willy-nilly these days.

[phil98z24]

Originally posted by TurboMedic


Hey at least you guys have support from 01 when shit goes down, he's still one of you ......Our sierras shit on us for the smallest things......

Amen buddy, I have heard nothing but bad things about your management, including your street bosses... not cool!

Originally posted by lilmira
They probably wrapped their heads with towels, put fake beard and shoe polish on their faces and walked right out.

That sounds like a funny Team America reference to me, nothing racist...

Anyways, I think this situation didn't exactly end the way it should have nor was it necessarily run the way that I perceive it should have been - but that is why I'm a lowly street guy and not the one with stripes on my arm or pips on my shoulder... not to say my experiences and knowledge doesn't bear weight, but in the end it sometimes isn't worth the risk to the public to do a full on pursuit where we would have had a 99.9% chance of catching him, but with a very high risk factor to do it.

Just remember this - this guy attempted to take out a cop, and they still didn't think it was worth it. That right there shows how important public safety is, and despite what some people think, that we do accept in certain situations that we choose to do this job and put ourselves in harms way from time to time and that things that happen to us are not necessarily more important than everyone else's safety.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by IntegraG2


wow did anyone else find this extremely racist????

No, I do find you overly sensitive though.

[IntegraG2]

Wow I guess I interpreted that pretty wrong then.

[Godfuader]

Originally posted by phil98z24
...Just remember this - this guy attempted to take out a cop,...

How did he attempt to take out a cop? The officer probably ran to the middle of the road to throw the spike belt, and got too close to the action. Not defending the suspects, just saying that its highly unlikely that the driver saw the cop and gunned for him.

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by IntegraG2
Wow I guess I interpreted that pretty wrong then.

Yes, you did.

[Sugarphreak]

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[phil98z24]

Originally posted by Godfuader


How did he attempt to take out a cop? The officer probably ran to the middle of the road to throw the spike belt, and got too close to the action. Not defending the suspects, just saying that its highly unlikely that the driver saw the cop and gunned for him.

The RCMP officer was on the side of the highway away from the action and the vehicle swerved towards him and accelerated, and he had to get out of the way - I think that shows pretty clear intent.

Sugarphreak, I agree with some of the things you are saying but as you say we are very handcuffed by the policies that are in place, and we don't have alot of say in "touchy" matters such as pursuits. It's a very polarizing issue, and alot of the civilian members of the police commission don't think the risks are worth the reward.

We have ways to end these things as it was proven last year during the car jacking, but the people who control our destiny have spoken and they don't like it unless absolutely necessary. It's frustrating.

[zain123]

i was coming back to calgary and witnessed most of this
i was so confused at first as to why the chopper was there then highway to edmonton was closed off n then all these cops did a u-turn and the chopper started coming down really close to something
but never saw the truck till it hit those spikes
cops were rolling those up as i drove past them
my cousin has some videos on his bb bold from this but dont think its good footage will post in a day or two

[zipdoa]

[CUG]

http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca/citybea...150712_21527_0

Ryan Joseph LAVECK, 28, of Calgary, has been charged with
failure to stop for police, theft over $5,000 and dangerous
operation of a motor vehicle.


Busted.