Man kills unleashed dog. Who was at fault?

[JustGo]

[MintRacer]

Originally posted by mushi_mushi
I dont think the fact that the dog may have been running is an indication of aggressive behavior. Labs especially have lots of energy. Im not picking sides, but I personally wouldnt attack another dog unless the other dog attacked first. Im surprised that alot of you are have the attitude of:

If the dog barks at me im gonna shit kick it.
Dog aint looking at me the right way, shit, gonna kick it.
In fact the dogs is going to have to work extremely hard not to get shit kicked.

Without the full details its going to be hard not going around in circles. A little of topic, but the guy in the video didnt shit kick the lion (not that it would do him any good if his intentions were different, and the lion did charge at him)

bwahahaha.. is that a young sigfred and roy?

[kirberman]

Originally posted by mushi_mushi
I dont think the fact that the dog may have been running is an indication of aggressive behavior. Labs especially have lots of energy. Im not picking sides, but I personally wouldnt attack another dog unless the other dog attacked first. Im surprised that alot of you are have the attitude of:

If the dog barks at me im gonna shit kick it.
Dog aint looking at me the right way, shit, gonna kick it.
In fact the dogs is going to have to work extremely hard not to get shit kicked.

Without the full details its going to be hard not going around in circles. A little of topic, but the guy in the video didnt shit kick the lion (not that it would do him any good if his intentions were different, and the lion did charge at him)

Its not that the lot of us want to kick the dog. Its just simple logic. Assuming the dog is going to attack you, what choices do you have? Let him take the first bite? They won't let go once they've bit down on you. If there was a news story about a grown ass cop getting mauled by a dog I bet most of you "blame the cop" guys would be saying how stupid the cop was for not defending himself(or his pet) especially with his training. On paper yes, it sounds good to make sure that a dog really has intentions on hurting you before you defend yourself but be realistic, everyone has different thresholds on where or when they feel threatened.

[Legless_Marine2]

Originally posted by spikers


Ok, dipshit, put yourself in the cops shoes here.

you have an agressive dog running at you. teach us all how you would handle this, while unarmed, in an escelating fashion?

You're asking the wrong question.

You've asked me to show you the answer, but you've already done half of the work, and done it wrong.

[ICEBERG]

Personally I think he should be arrested on charges of Animal abuse, suspended from his job, and forced to pay compensation to the dog owner.

The bottom line is this officer is a danger to the public as demonstrated by his excessive force against a dog. This officer needs to be identified so we can be forewarned when dealing with him. Not knowing I might just end up like the dog.

[freshprince1]

Last week I was in our front yard with my 2 year old daughter, a golden retreiver that I didn't recognize was running towards our yard from a couple houses down. My reaction - without thinking - was to run between my daughter and the dog and I can tell you if that dog would have continued coming towards my daughter, I would have kicked it as hard as I absolutely could and done whatever was needed to stop that dog from moving towards us. No questions asked. The dog stopped a few feet away thank goodness.

I like dogs, a lot. But in that situation I was only thinking about my kid. Maybe that's what happened to the guy walking his dog (the fact that he's an off-duty Police Officer has nothing to do with it). Dog owners would argue that they consider their dog a member of the family, so what's to stop the owner from reacting the same way I did?

In the end, none of this would have happened if the owner of the retreiver had their dog on a leash.

[2002civic]

Originally posted by ICEBERG
Personally I think he should be arrested on charges of Animal abuse, suspended from his job, and forced to pay compensation to the dog owner.

The bottom line is this officer is a danger to the public as demonstrated by his excessive force against a dog. This officer needs to be identified so we can be forewarned when dealing with him. Not knowing I might just end up like the dog.

[2002civic]

the only person who broke the law or bylaw was the owner of the dog who was not on his leash...end of story.

[mushi_mushi]

Originally posted by kirberman


Its not that the lot of us want to kick the dog. Its just simple logic. Assuming the dog is going to attack you, what choices do you have? Let him take the first bite? They won't let go once they've bit down on you. If there was a news story about a grown ass cop getting mauled by a dog I bet most of you "blame the cop" guys would be saying how stupid the cop was for not defending himself(or his pet) especially with his training. On paper yes, it sounds good to make sure that a dog really has intentions on hurting you before you defend yourself but be realistic, everyone has different thresholds on where or when they feel threatened.

Personally out of my personal safety I dont think I would attack a dog. Im not by any means huge but any normal person has a big advantage in terms of size and height on most dogs. I would defend myself/my dog if I knew the other dog was going to attack, but you really never know until it happens. What separates humans from other species in the animal kingdom is their ability to reason, whats sad in this story isnt necessarily that the dog was kicked but the fact that it was left to roam without a leash, it pursued actions which were iinherent to it in nature, and ultimately it died through what I interpret as being no fault of its own. I dont mean to marginalize the issue as there are alot more important/tragic things going on in the world then the accidental death of a single dog.

[kirberman]

Originally posted by mushi_mushi


Personally out of my personal safety I dont think I would attack a dog. Im not by any means huge but any normal person has a big advantage in terms of size and height on most dogs. I would defend myself/my dog if I knew the other dog was going to attack, but you really never know until it happens. What separates humans from other species in the animal kingdom is their ability to reason, whats sad in this story isnt necessarily that the dog was kicked but the fact that it was left to roam without a leash, it pursued actions which were iinherent to it in nature, and ultimately it died through what I interpret as being no fault of its own. I dont mean to marginalize the issue as there are alot more important/tragic things going on in the world then the accidental death of a single dog.

I agree with you on the latter part of your reply. Humans have the ability to reason, but with each other. Not with animals and that is exactly why I would strike first. I'm not a violent person but I know I would protect myself and so should you.

There are important things, like the credibility of this officer now. I think the fact that he did turn himself in shows his remorse. But now there are people out there, a lot on this forum, who want him to lose his job because he was protecting himself and his own. I wish to all those people who feel this way be put into the same situation as he was and see how they turn out. Do unto others right?...people are so diluted with themselves with their self righteous beliefs that they would always do the ideal thing in every situation. Life isn't like that.

[r3ccOs]

Originally posted by bashir26
If a dog came out of no where running towards barking and crap i would not hesitate to kill it

If your mother did the same thing to me, I woudln't hesitate neither


P.s. a yellow lab is a Labrador Retreiver

[ICEBERG]

Originally posted by 2002civic

What too overboard for you.

Here is my other version to the argument:

Actually the cop needs to be worried about is their well being. The cop has no idea if the dog is a stray, if it’s got rabies, and really doesn’t have a whole lot of time to figure it out. He isn’t going to, nor is he required to ask the dog it’s intent. Had the owner had the dog under a leash the cop would have had no reason to kick it and kill it. Oh the owner, and remember the owner? The owner that DIDN’T keep the dog in a leash? I love how some people here shift the blame to someone OTHER than the person that is actually at fault.

there you go.. Better

[tirebob]

The fact is if any dog was attacking any of us, our family or pets, absolutely I think all of us would do whatever we had to to protect ourselves. Nobody really can dispute that...

The question here is whether or not the officers dog was being attacked and what actually led up to the dog being kicked. If this lab came teeth bared and was attacking his dog, then for sure he had every right to try and stop it, by kick, punch, elbow, suplex from the top rope or whatever, but there is no witness and so nobody is ever going to know the truth other than typical "he said, she said" type stuff.

The issue that comes to my mind is that the police officer could be lying to cover his own ass, but everyone is siding with him automatically because he is a police officer. Don't get me wrong... He could have been completely justified, but in all reality maybe the lab ran up with tail wagging and tried humping his leg and the guy snapped and booted him. Or maybe the lab ran up and the guys dog went nuts and the lab stood there being a dummy and the guy wanted him to leave so he kicked him out of frustration. Nobody will ever know for real, so at this point it is too bad for the lab owner, but if this guy really did have every reason to kick the dog, being a police officer he should have had enough integrity to stick around and explain to the other dog owner what happened rather than simply walking away and coming clean days later, By not doing so he plants the seed of being untrustworthy in my mind and many others, as opposed to the people who automatically think that he couldn't be in the wrong because he is a cop. I couldn't care less that he was a cop or regular citizen, but more that he must be one idiot cop to behave how he did after the event...

[gretz]

Originally posted by r3ccOs


If your mother did the same thing to me, I woudln't hesitate neither


P.s. a yellow lab is a Labrador Retreiver

also, a purebred golden retriever is not a lab

[SinisterProbeGt]

Calgarys finest Shoot/Kick/Punch First and ask questions 2 days later.

Originally posted by crewchaud
I personally have never heard of a deadly incident involving a Golden Retreiver or Lab for that matter.

Not sure if I have missed this yet but do we know what the cops dog was? I am really fucken interested to hear.

I could only imagine what the cop would have done if he was "on duty".... Fry it?

Stupid fucken cop... I hope they find you guilty because there is no excuse for what you have done.

[mushi_mushi]

Originally posted by kirberman


I agree with you on the latter part of your reply. Humans have the ability to reason, but with each other. Not with animals and that is exactly why I would strike first. I'm not a violent person but I know I would protect myself and so should you.

There are important things, like the credibility of this officer now. I think the fact that he did turn himself in shows his remorse. But now there are people out there, a lot on this forum, who want him to lose his job because he was protecting himself and his own. I wish to all those people who feel this way be put into the same situation as he was and see how they turn out. Do unto others right?...people are so diluted with themselves with their self righteous beliefs that they would always do the ideal thing in every situation. Life isn't like that.

I can understand the need to defend your dog or your child when being approached by a bigger dog but I would never strike first simply because I have never felt threatened by dogs. I see big dogs all the time when walking my own and reach out and pet them. Ive had stranger's dogs jump up on their hind legs just to lick my face. Ive gone to friends house and had the same things happen. Ive never been attacked by a dog, if I had my interpretation of things might be different. All of the dogs ive come in contact with are domesticated and wouldnt really attack anything without good reason.

I dont think anything should happen to the police officer. The intent was clearly to defend, the thing people are questioning is this persons judgment (which is hard to ascertain based on the limited facts) Self defense or inadequate over reaction, people have their opinions, in the end the people in charge investigating the case will be a better judge of what happened then the people on beyond.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by Legless_Marine2


You're asking the wrong question.

You've asked me to show you the answer, but you've already done half of the work, and done it wrong.

oh shit, i just got trolled didn't I?

i should have remembered the name.

[Rstar]

tirebob wins.

we can close the thread now

[Stubby]

+1 for tirebob

/thread

[Legless_Marine2]

Originally posted by 2002civic
the only person who broke the law or bylaw was the owner of the dog who was not on his leash...end of story.

I always love feeble attempts to frame the debate by saying things like "End of story", or "That's all there is to it".

Really, it's shorthand for "My oversimplified interpretation is about as much as my brain can handle, and I hate the thought of anyone looking deeper".