Pizza Delivery

[calepeters]

Originally posted by SilverGS
Usually tip pizza delivery guy $3-$5 depending how long it took. If driving conditions are not good then I usually give $5.

As for restaurants it just depends on the service.

What I hate are all these restaurants doing automatic gratuity. 6 or more ppl = automatic 18% regardless of how you do. My idea of a tip is when you provide good service above what you are supposed to do. Making sure everything is alright, keeping drinks topped up, good attitude. Not just take order and put food down. Its just a way for already overpriced restaurants to save salary cost by paying minimum wage but offering up automatic gratuity as incentive for servers.

i really hate it when people through in an oppinion about something they know nothing about a
I used to be a server, (gets QUITE hectic at times, i went to school for accounting and it was easier then serving)
a server will tip out on all food and all alcohol ordered, so lets say you come in with 10 people and spend like 200$, the server will then owe the kitchen and bartender anywhere between 4 and 10$ depending on what they have (ie liquor tip out is higher) so when some drunk dumbass goes to pay and doesnt tip, the server wasted the past hour or two serving your table and actually loses money not to mention the fact they could have had other tables instead of you,

so no auto tip is not bad, most servers will try and work for it anyway, its not always there fault, sometimes management or the hosts are pricks and overseat the server, and crash them and server is running their ass off just to stay on top of things and theres only so much they can do when this happens, then a table tips poorly when its not the servers fault

[nonsane]

pizza guy i tip 4.50 typically... 6.00 if it's snowing. more if it's a blizzard or something.

the problem with tipping is the servers see as, if you don't tip, you're an asshole because they are entitled to it.

I was at the strippers ordering drinks, and at the end of the night i was gonna give the girl that was bringing me drinks a five, so as a result i didn't tip on the first few drinks. 3rd drink, she gives me the beer and says "is there a problem with my service or something?"

She lost the tip.

(also drinks already cost more from the girls than if you go up to the bar yourself)

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by calepeters


i really hate it when people through in an oppinion about something they know nothing about a
I used to be a server, (gets QUITE hectic at times, i went to school for accounting and it was easier then serving)
a server will tip out on all food and all alcohol ordered, so lets say you come in with 10 people and spend like 200$, the server will then owe the kitchen and bartender anywhere between 4 and 10$ depending on what they have (ie liquor tip out is higher) so when some drunk dumbass goes to pay and doesnt tip, the server wasted the past hour or two serving your table and actually loses money not to mention the fact they could have had other tables instead of you,

so no auto tip is not bad, most servers will try and work for it anyway, its not always there fault, sometimes management or the hosts are pricks and overseat the server, and crash them and server is running their ass off just to stay on top of things and theres only so much they can do when this happens, then a table tips poorly when its not the servers fault

I expected this type of response from a server. You also made the asumption I have no idea what I am talking about but I have worked every position in a restaurant from dishwasher up to manager with the exception of cook. I can tell when a server is doing a good job and when they are dogging it. There are some that still do a good job even knowing there is an automatic gratuity but more often then not service is lacking when they know its being added to the bill regardless of the service they provide.

I realize that servers usually tip out the cooks and host but it usually only amounts to 5%-10% of their total tips so the majority is still on the server. Good servers normally don't care because they do a good job and get the good tips. All the automatic gratuity does is put a smile on the lazy servers. The amount has also increased from 10% to 15% to 18% over the last few years. A tip is to show appreciation for doing that little extra to make the experience that much more enjoyable. The better you do the more you get. By having it automatically added and setting the amount you completely remove that incentive for many servers. Even worse is the amount. Sounds like ppl in this thread reserve the 18-20% tip for the best of the best not mediocre service. If they kept the amount to say 10% say for large tables I would have less of a rant but at 18% and rising its getting ridiculous.

You are right that servers do get slammed with too many new tables sometimes but most people will notice this and give the server some slack. A good place will realize this and warn customers that service maybe delayed.

[masoncgy]

Originally posted by calepeters
so no auto tip is not bad, most servers will try and work for it anyway, its not always there fault, sometimes management or the hosts are pricks and overseat the server, and crash them and server is running their ass off just to stay on top of things and theres only so much they can do when this happens, then a table tips poorly when its not the servers fault

One can usually notice when it's the server who is dropping the ball or if the circumstances are beyond their control (ie: slow bar or slow kitchen, too many tables, etc). I will still tip a server who is doing their best under trying circumstances, it's not always their fault and you can tell just by watching their activities.

Bad server = no tip. The server is the face of the business when one dines in their establishment. It's not like there's a instructional guide on the wall that determines who gets what portion of the tips. If the kitchen & bar staff aren't doing their share, the server can take it up with management on the tip outs. Really, they can sort out the poor tip issues amongst themselves, it doesn't involve me.

In the end, it's my money and I'll decide who gets it.

[Alterac]

Originally posted by calepeters

the server wasted the past hour or two serving your table and actually loses money not to mention the fact they could have had other tables instead of you,

You are not losing any money at all.

You get paid your Wage, hourly. Then gratuity on top if you do good work and satisfy the customer.

If you are getting less money than your wage, you are an idiot.

If you are just complaining about getting less tips, be happy you get any tips, they are not part of your wage.

[Stubby]

Originally posted by Alterac


You are not losing any money at all.

You get paid your Wage, hourly. Then gratuity on top if you do good work and satisfy the customer.

If you are getting less money than your wage, you are an idiot.

If you are just complaining about getting less tips, be happy you get any tips, they are not part of your wage.

That's exactly what needs to be said.

You are already being paid to do the service. The TIP comes when you go above and beyond the mandatory service that you are supposed to provide.

[snoop101]

Originally posted by Alterac


You are not losing any money at all.

You get paid your Wage, hourly. Then gratuity on top if you do good work and satisfy the customer.

If you are getting less money than your wage, you are an idiot.

If you are just complaining about getting less tips, be happy you get any tips, they are not part of your wage.

I agree with this. A tip is a tip. It means you worked over and above to satisfy your customer and your being rewarded for that.

If the food is slow, but the server is good and keeps being nice and keeps the drinks coming then im good with that and he/she gets a good tip.


On a side note I like to ask this....

Do you guys/gals tip owners that serve you?

[msommers]

Pick up for sure. Call, place the order, get in the car, 10 mins later I'm there it's ready or coming out of the oven. It's cheaper, faster and hotter than delivery so why not!

[calepeters]

Originally posted by Alterac


You are not losing any money at all.

You get paid your Wage, hourly. Then gratuity on top if you do good work and satisfy the customer.

If you are getting less money than your wage, you are an idiot.

If you are just complaining about getting less tips, be happy you get any tips, they are not part of your wage.

this is extremely arrogant to say, ANYBODY in the service industry knows that SOME people just dont tip no matter how much you can attempt to please them, in many parts of europe, the tip is included in the meal, so for example when somebody comes from europe, they dont leave anything because they think its already inlcuded, so in this instance, is it fair for the server to tip out say 3 or 4 $ to the kitchen when the table leaves nothing? 3$ off just one table brings your hourly wage down from 8.80 to 5.80, other times (not being racist) some...ethnicities just DONT tip, ive had this as well - say a group of 15 people come in and drink and drink, they dont tip cause the one guy paying the tab is cheap or drunk, then you have to tip the bar out as much as 6 or 7 dollars? is it fair for the server to make 2$ for the past hour?

auto gratuity is designed to protect the server from such things, if i was making 8.80 though university id be homeless

i do agree some servers take advantage of the system but in general I believe this is not the case, and if they DID do that bad of a job, take it up with the manager?

[89s1]

You make it sound like your shift is an hour long and you serve one table per shift.

Make up for it on the other tables. A "bad night" in tips for my wife at the pub is $70 for an 8 hour shift. You sound like you don't expect tips from certain ethnicity's, maybe it shows in your service.

My wife serves every table to the best of her abilities and then if they don't tip she feels a bit raw, but doesn't let it affect her overall mood. You win some you lose some, but it averages out in the end.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by 89s1


My wife serves every table to the best of her abilities and then if they don't tip she feels a bit raw, but doesn't let it affect her overall mood. You win some you lose some, but it averages out in the end.

That just about sums it all up. All servers (including myself) needs to have this type of attitude.

For the customers, not here to set a standard and argue about it cause it's not science and it's not perfect. If you receive shitty service, do as you please. If you receive good service, consider the tip as an appreciation for the server taking care of you, that is all. With that said, 10% gratuity is not a bad number to start at.

[SilverGS]

Originally posted by calepeters


this is extremely arrogant to say, ANYBODY in the service industry knows that SOME people just dont tip no matter how much you can attempt to please them, in many parts of europe, the tip is included in the meal, so for example when somebody comes from europe, they dont leave anything because they think its already inlcuded, so in this instance, is it fair for the server to tip out say 3 or 4 $ to the kitchen when the table leaves nothing? 3$ off just one table brings your hourly wage down from 8.80 to 5.80, other times (not being racist) some...ethnicities just DONT tip, ive had this as well - say a group of 15 people come in and drink and drink, they dont tip cause the one guy paying the tab is cheap or drunk, then you have to tip the bar out as much as 6 or 7 dollars? is it fair for the server to make 2$ for the past hour?

auto gratuity is designed to protect the server from such things, if i was making 8.80 though university id be homeless

i do agree some servers take advantage of the system but in general I believe this is not the case, and if they DID do that bad of a job, take it up with the manager?

Sure sometimes you get a raw deal and it sucks but then you also get other people who will tip you $10 on a $30 meal. Both situations are not the norm and I agree that it all averages out in the long run.

Your attitiude is that of someone who thinks they are entitled to a tip. I am with the others in thinking that a tip is a reward for a good job not something to be expected.

[msommers]

Anyone I know working in the service industry makes a shit load of money in tips. Either they're all fucking fantastic servers or people bitching about not getting high or any tips suck at their job. Sure you're going to run into a dick or a group of dicks, cheap skates etc but in the end, tips add a substantial amount of income for servers. It's almost disgusting how much some pull in per night.

[Trini]

give me good service and you'll get a tip..shit service = no tip.

Don't know where this mentality that the servers are entitled to a tip came about.

[Khyron]

If there was no tipping (or it was force included) and you got shit service, what do you do? Withhold payment? That's what I've always felt the 15% is supposed to be treated like. The last part of the bill you have some power over.

Ie, the price is really the total+15%. Everything is budgeted around that.

But you can withold that 15% if you're treated badly. If they do their job (and yes that means not being rude, and refilling drinks and not making me wait) then they get the 15%. If they fuck up, maybe it's docked down. If it's terrible then it's nothing or 1c.

I hated France for the included tip because if you get fucked at best you can just complain.

But so many people here in North America are treating the tip as "super extraordinary service" when it's designed to be "decent expected service". So it's only a matter of time before the 15% is back on the price and then any additional is for "extraordinary".

[Quiet10]

I am normally a ridiculous tipper... usually 20%+ if I'm fully satisfied, 15% for a normal / decent do-your-job kind of service... but recently I went to Boston Pizza and the waitress we had was TOTALLY useless... and by the end of the night I was gonna tip her 10% anyways... well I waited and waited and waited for her to come take my credit card for the bill and decided I'd dock 1% for every minute I had to wait for her to pick it up, counting down from 15%(rather than automatically not tipping)... She didn't ever come. I had to ask another server if I could pay at the front rather than in my seat where I was still having a conversation. I gave her a penny tip to make my point. It shouldn't take 15 minutes for you to come ask if I'm done and take the bill.

[msommers]

Originally posted by Trini
Don't know where this mentality that the servers are entitled to a tip came about.

I found this paper awhile ago and posted it in an old tipping thread. Quite interesting read actually.

http://129.3.20.41/eps/eh/papers/0309/0309001.pdf

[Disoblige]

^^ I do agree with the fact in that article that a lot of people tip to save embarrassment. I'm sure a lot of people probably don't care too much about the actual tipping of the server, but wouldn't want to look too cheap when they're leaving and/or in front of their colleagues.

I didn't know that in early times that English people also tipped to encourage better server though. That's the opposite of today haha.

[Criticull]

The place where tips are the most ridiculous is North America. It's the social norms holding us down. Serving is one of the most overpaid jobs ever here. A friend in the UK makes half as much as I was making here when I did it, and she does exactly the same thing. Making 30-40 bucks an hour (a lot of which is tax-free due to lying) for no real amount of skill or education is pretty absurd. Some people work their asses off for much less.

Because of the easy money, you encourage girls to become lifers serving drinks into their mid-30s and having an early mid life crisis cuz they spent their youth making money to buy blow, liquor, slot machine credits, and trips to other places where they can do blow, get hammered, and win a "things are finally starting to look up" $2000 jackpot at a discount cruise line casino.

All this said, I still tip 15% for average service, and the cycle continues.

[jwslam]

Originally posted by Quiet10
I waited and waited and waited for her to come take my credit card for the bill and decided I'd dock 1% for every minute I had to wait for her to pick it up, counting down from 15%(rather than automatically not tipping)... She didn't ever come. I had to ask another server if I could pay at the front rather than in my seat where I was still having a conversation. I gave her a penny tip to make my point. It shouldn't take 15 minutes for you to come ask if I'm done and take the bill.

I did some serving. If I see you're done and you're in the middle of a conversation, I'm not gonna interrupt you just to take your money from you and make you feel like I'm rushing you out because you're hoarding my table.

On another note, EVERY server knows there's specific ethnicities that don't tip no matter what. Sometimes when you get enough of them you're hoping for the rest of the night to be all chinese because they'll tip 10% regardless (i say that because i am chinese). But yea, if you come in often and I know that no matter how well I serve you you don't tip or don't tip well, then other customers are my priority.

Question to other servers: if the bill comes to like $24.36 or some shit, do you change with a $5 hoping they'll leave that or do you break it to loonies and toonies?