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    Ok it seems that a lot of people would like to have a better understanding of their automobile insurance policies. My intent of this thread is to give you a basic understanding of coverages and then later get into some practical aspects to help with everyones understanding before its too late and they have a claim and were missing a coverage. This is for reference only and you should always seek professional advice regarding a specific situation. Also keep in mind There is a lot that needs to be added and the specific coverages is just a starting point. There are responsibilities both on your part and the insurance company that have a bearing on the entire process, these will be discussed later.

    All insurance policies in Alberta are the same. They can vary slightly given different endorsement on the policy which either add or subtract certain coverages. I will touch base on some of the essential ones initially and I am sure some of the other insurance members can add to this later.

    The Automobile insurance policy is split into 3 sections:

    Third Party Liability (Section A)
    Loss of or Damage to the Insured Automobile (Section C)
    Accident Benefits (Section B)

    You will notice that they are out of order and I am leaving B until the end. This is because Sections A and C are the most commonly accessed portions of the policy and where I feel the most controversy occurs. Both of these are coverages that apply to your vehicle in the case of damage.

    Third Party Liability (Section A) (Some people refer to this as PLPD)

    The minimum amount of coverage available is Alberta is $200,000 however it is rare to see anyone with this amount. $1,000,000 is the norm and it is not unusual to carry more.

    This protects you from liability imposed by law for bodily injury, death of any person or property damage arising from the ownership, use or operation of the vehicle. This coverage applies not only to the policy holder but to anyone whom operates or uses any part of the automobile (with consent). This means your policy is on the line for not only yourself but anyone you allow to drive the vehicle, each and every passenger contained within that vehicle and any person using any part of the vehicle.

    To put it simply, if you or someone else crashed the car into another car, a pedestrian or any piece of property your Section A is the portion of the policy that covers the injuries, death and damages. That part is simple, if your car causes damage it covers that damage. Now it gets interesting, passenger or any person using any part of the vehicle can cause damage which would fall under this section, even though they are not driving.
    This can include a passenger grabbing a wheel causing an accident, opening a door and it getting hit by a cyclist, jacking the car up to change a wheel and it rolls down into the ditch and crushes a mailbox or child.

    There are exclusions, the most important to know is this will not cover damage to property carried in the automobile, owned or rented by the insured, or in the care, custody or control of the insured.
    This means that if you crash into your own other car, house or possessions or damage any property inside the car be it yours or not, you cannot expect this part of the policy to cover it (or any other part). If you’re hauling a TV for a friend and roll the truck there is no coverage under this policy.

    One interesting thing to note is that there is no exclusion for being drunk. So lets say you run over a milkman and a bus stop while drunk the policy will respond up to the limit. But remember I am only talking about Section A right now, don't mix it up with the other parts, OK!.

    Key thing to remember:

    SECTION A COVERS DAMAGE OR INJURY TO OTHER PEOPLE AND/OR THEIR PROPERTY/VEHICLE CAUSED BY THE USE AND/OR OPERATION OF YOUR VEHICLE.



    Loss of or Damage to the Insured Automobile (Section C)

    Sections C is what people will describe as collision, fire & theft, comprehensive ect. fact is there are 4 different coverages available under Section C.

    1. All Perils
    2. Collision or Upset (we will refer to it as collision from here in)
    3. Comprehensive
    4. Specified Perils

    Ok we're going to ignore "All Perils" and "Specified Perils" as they are not very common and *MOST* people have either collision, comprehensive or both.


    Collision covers damage caused by collision with another object or upset. This includes the surface of the road. Basically if your vehicle hits anything or is hit by anything it should fall under collision(if you carry it).

    Comprehensive is very simple now that we know what is considered a collision. Comprehensive protects the vehicle against any peril other than collision or upset. The policy specifically states missiles, falling or flying objects, fire, theft, explosion, earthquake, windstorm, hail, rising water, malicious mischief, riot or civil commotion shall be deemed comprehensive. Also please no that the term 'act of god' does not appear anywhere in this policy.

    But what about hit and runs and deer hits you say? Under the policy they are both considered collision. However insurers can treat them as comprehensive if they want but are in no way obligated to. Its them being nice to you.

    There are exclusions that apply to collision, comprehensive, all perils and specified perils. They are:

    1.Damage to tires, rust or corrosion, wear and tear, freezing or explosion within the combustion chamber. UNLESS CAUSED BY FIRE, THEFT, OR MALICIOUS ACT.

    2.Conversion or Voluntary parting with title. I'm not even getting into this.

    3.Radioactive contamination. Be careful with your dirty bombs.

    4.Contents. Will not cover your gym bag. However when the vehicle is equipped with a stereo it is covered along with its attached equipment. Read the MP3 player is covered if attached and if theres a CD in the unit that CD is covered. The other 100 are not.

    5. Drunk or High. Okay remember this because its kind of important. If you're drunk/high and they can prove it (Read conviction of impaired driving or refusal to blow) you have absolutely no coverage on your vehicle of any kind. If they can't prove it you have coverage.

    6. Letting someone else drive Drunk or High.

    7.Comprehensive and Specified Perils excludes theft by any person living in your home or employed by you.

    Further if you do have a loss that is covered under your policy the insurance company will cover towing and storage costs along with and Fire dept fees (if applicable)

    Key thing to remember:

    SECTION B COVERS DAMAGE TO YOUR OWN VEHICLE. USE YOUR HEAD WHEN DETERMINING IF IT SHOULD FALL UNDER COLLISION OR COMPREHENSIVE.

    I am going to stop this here and do Section B Accident benefits later.

    After that if I feel that the forum users want it I will get into what you are entitled to in an accident, whats the process should be in determining the value of your total loss and even why aftermarket parts may be used on your repair.

    If anyone sees a mistaken, misinterpretation or omission please let me know and I can fix it up.

    Here is the Alberta Standard Auto Policy S.P.F. 1
    Thank to Xtrema
    Originally posted by Zewind
    One thing, as I work for a Direct writer, might be different.

    But in situations where you are in an accident that is not your fault, (ie Rear-ended) and you DO NOT have collison coverages. You will must likey be dealing with the 3rd-Parties company yourself. Your insurance company will not represent you.

    Originally posted by tom_9109


    This is a very good point which was going to be covered later.

    When you get an insurance policy you are agreeing that the insurance company is your irrevocable attorney that will defend and settle all claims against you.

    When you do not carry collision and the other company does not try to recover damages from your policy your insurance company has nothing to defend and will therefore not get involved. The other company knows this and will not try to say you're at fault when you clearly weren't as they know that your insurance company will then get involved and is bound to defend you. At that point it is your responsibility to deal with the other company and try to recover your damages. Some companies are very good to deal with in this situation, others are not so good.

    I had a friend not carrying collision have someone turn left in front of him and they would only pay 75% of his damages as they felt he was 25% at fault. They never tried to recover 25% of their damages from my friends insurance company as they knew that his company would then have to get involved and defend the claim. It was a dirty play and they were definitely not acting in 'utmost good faith' fortunately the damage was minor and it made more sense to eat 25% than to get a lawyer.

    If you do carry collision the insurance company is now going to be involved in negotiating and settling any claim. They are going to repair your vehicle out of their pocket (less deductible) and then subrogate (recover the repair amount) from the other company.

    There is a bit of a catch to this though. You are agreeing that your insurer is your irrevocable attorney and you have no say how fault they accept in the collision. You may feel that you did nothing wrong but they may accept 50/50 fault. They do this because a lot of collisions cost a few thousand bucks and its a waste of money spending $5000 in adjusters to save 50% of $3500.

    Most major insurance companies are now signatories to the IBC Agreement which has 'rules' as to which vehicle is at fault in a given situation. If both companies are signatories there are bound to accept the amount of fault assigned by the agreement regardless of any other factors.

    You as the insured however are not bound by this. If you are in a collision where the IBC agreement states 50/50 you can still sue the other insurance company for 100% of your injuries/loss and the fact that the insurer accepted 50/50 can have no bearing on your case.

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    Default Re: Alberta Auto Insurance Coverages SIMPLIFIED

    Originally posted by tom_9109

    FEEDBACK IS APPRECIATED
    Probably take you more seriously if you didn't swear.

    Not as many words, but:

    http://www.ama.ab.ca/cps/rde/xchg/am...e-Coverage.htm

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    Default Re: Re: Alberta Auto Insurance Coverages SIMPLIFIED

    Originally posted by Xtrema


    Probably take you more seriously if you didn't swear.

    Not as many words, but:

    http://www.ama.ab.ca/cps/rde/xchg/am...e-Coverage.htm
    Removed the few f words. I'm lookin to get a little more in depth that stuff like AMA post. most people get that insurance covers hurting other people and your vehicle. I want to give them a little understand of why and how it does that and what to expect given a situation and what is expected of them. Thanks for the input.
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    My apologies in advance if I missed this; how about coverage for unlicensed drivers operating your vehicle? What happens with that?
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    Is offroad operation covered separately? If I have full collision on my Jeep and roll it while offroad and write it off, will I be covered? Will they provide coverage for all modifications provided I either have an appraisal for their value or my receipts?


    For the sake of argument, assume that the location is on a government designated trail.
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    Where can I find my WHOLE policy with every detail as you describe? Do I just ask my broker?

    The papers that come with my new pink slips when I renew do not go into detail about any of that. In the past when my vehicle has been broken into everything is a surprise about what is covered and what is not covered. I dont think I've EVER seen the full extent of my policy.



    Also, as per FraserB's question, is it mandatory to list any and all modifications to a vehicle at beginning/done throughout the policy life?

    Furthermore, If a reported or unreported mod causes, for example, a wheel to fall off and your car to crash into a house, would this all be covered whether or not that mod/other mods were originally listed?

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    http://www.finance.alberta.ca/public...olicy_2007.pdf

    Everything you need to know about insurance in Alberta.

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    Nice post tom_9109. I've been thinking about writing something up like this for years but have never got around to it. Now if we can just educate the future noobs to use the search button!
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    One thing, as I work for a Direct writer, might be different.


    But in situations where you are in an accident that is not your fault, (ie Rear-ended) and you DO NOT have collison coverages. You will must likey be dealing with the 3rd-Parties company yourself. Your insurance company will not represent you.
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    Originally posted by Masked Bandit
    Now if we can just educate the future noobs to use the search button!
    Sticky the thread? That should combat some of them.

    Also, maybe state more clearly that any other insurance questions should be "Discussed hypothetically with their broker/insurer"
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    Originally posted by Tomaz


    Sticky the thread? That should combat some of them.

    Also, maybe state more clearly that any other insurance questions should be "Discussed hypothetically with their broker/insurer"

    Like I mentioned in the other thread, most brokers (not agents working for direct writers) know when to put the pen down and chat off the record.
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    I thought you had to SIGN your policy when you first got it, showing you understand all the words in it.

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    Originally posted by Masked Bandit
    Like I mentioned in the other thread, most brokers (not agents working for direct writers) know when to put the pen down and chat off the record.
    I really wish I had you as a broker 4 years ago. You might have saved me a lot of headache.

    The one horrific experience i have had has tainted me for life and i will now ALWAYS have a speech prepared before any communication with my broker/agent.



    Originally posted by scat19
    I thought you had to SIGN your policy when you first got it, showing you understand all the words in it.
    you read your policy?

    Trying to read mine is like trying to get through a Margaret Attwood novel without sleeping, or cutting ones self.

    This is a good quick-reference to most policies in general. Could help a lot of people that you "facepalm"
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    posted by mistake.
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    Originally posted by scat19
    I thought you had to SIGN your policy when you first got it, showing you understand all the words in it.

    Forget it sunshine, many people IN THE BUSINESS don't completely understand every possible variable contained within a policy. To complicate things there can be slight differences from one carrier to the next and from year to year. There is no way the general public could actually comprehend what this shit is down to the finest detail.
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    Originally posted by Zewind
    One thing, as I work for a Direct writer, might be different.


    But in situations where you are in an accident that is not your fault, (ie Rear-ended) and you DO NOT have collison coverages. You will must likey be dealing with the 3rd-Parties company yourself. Your insurance company will not represent you.
    This is a very good point which was going to be covered later.

    When you get an insurance policy you are agreeing that the insurance company is your irrevocable attorney that will defend and settle all claims against you.

    When you do not carry collision and the other company does not try to recover damages from your policy your insurance company has nothing to defend and will therefore not get involved. The other company knows this and will not try to say you're at fault when you clearly weren't as they know that your insurance company will then get involved and is bound to defend you. At that point it is your responsibility to deal with the other company and try to recover your damages. Some companies are very good to deal with in this situation, others are not so good.

    I had a friend not carrying collision have someone turn left in front of him and they would only pay 75% of his damages as they felt he was 25% at fault. They never tried to recover 25% of their damages from my friends insurance company as they knew that his company would then have to get involved and defend the claim. It was a dirty play and they were definitely not acting in 'utmost good faith' fortunately the damage was minor and it made more sense to eat 25% than to get a lawyer.

    If you do carry collision the insurance company is now going to be involved in negotiating and settling any claim. They are going to repair your vehicle out of their pocket (less deductible) and then subrogate (recover the repair amount) from the other company.

    There is a bit of a catch to this though. You are agreeing that your insurer is your irrevocable attorney and you have no say how fault they accept in the collision. You may feel that you did nothing wrong but they may accept 50/50 fault. They do this because a lot of collisions cost a few thousand bucks and its a waste of money spending $5000 in adjusters to save 50% of $3500.

    Most major insurance companies are now signatories to the IBC Agreement which has 'rules' as to which vehicle is at fault in a given situation. If both companies are signatories there are bound to accept the amount of fault assigned by the agreement regardless of any other factors.

    You as the insured however are not bound by this. If you are in a collision where the IBC agreement states 50/50 you can still sue the other insurance company for 100% of your injuries/loss and the fact that the insurer accepted 50/50 can have no bearing on your case.


    ADDED TO ORIGINAL POST
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    Originally posted by FraserB
    Is offroad operation covered separately? If I have full collision on my Jeep and roll it while offroad and write it off, will I be covered? Will they provide coverage for all modifications provided I either have an appraisal for their value or my receipts?


    For the sake of argument, assume that the location is on a government designated trail.
    My understanding is that there is no exclusion for being of road at the time of a loss or not. I'd imagine your insurer would have to cover the damages.

    Modifications can always be a bit of a sticking point. For starters don't expect to get what you paid for anything. In the case of a total loss you are entitles to the ACV (Actual Cash Value) of your vehicle. That means you should expect to get what the vehicle would have sold for 1 minute before it was destroyed. Lets say the Jeep is worth $15,000 (ACV) and you put an additional $10,000 into it. Would you expect a buyer to pay you $25,000? Of course not, so don't expect it from your insurance company. They can calculate it many ways but expect to get about 10-20% of any add ons or modifications. Receipts are very helpful, definitely hold on to them if you can, just in case.

    One thing to remember is technically you should be disclosing any major modifications to the insurance company. Failing to do so could give the insurance company a way out of covering the damages as there has been a 'material change of risk' that they were not aware off. Ie, instead of the ACV of $15,000 which they expected and based premiums off of now the ACV is $22,000 and there is definitely a material change in risk.

    However from what I've seen they don't usually deny a claim because there were modifications done to the vehicle because in reality they don't change the value much.

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    Originally posted by tom_9109

    You as the insured however are not bound by this. If you are in a collision where the IBC agreement states 50/50 you can still sue the other insurance company for 100% of your injuries/loss and the fact that the insurer accepted 50/50 can have no bearing on your case.
    ADDED TO ORIGINAL POST
    Also of note here is that IBC or "Chart" has absolutely zero bearing on Bodily Injury claims. Those are always settled tort.

    [i] Posted by Phil [i]
    My apologies in advance if I missed this; how about coverage for unlicensed drivers operating your vehicle? What happens with that?
    In this Situation the Insured would need to prove that they are qualified to drive. If someone is 17, grew up on a farm and have driven all their life, it is likely that all they would need to do is go take a driving test, obtain their liscence, and coverage would be retroactive. (believe there is a time frame in which to do so)

    If someone is 15 years old, and wouldn't be able to obtain their liscence even if they have sufficient driving skill, there would be no coverage.


    **Disclaimer**
    I have been in insurance for 3 years, 2.5 of which I have been doing property insurance. If any information is a bit off, it is because I only have about 6 months as an auto adjuster, 2.5 years ago :P

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    Originally posted by phil98z24
    My apologies in advance if I missed this; how about coverage for unlicensed drivers operating your vehicle? What happens with that?

    The policy states you shall not drive or operate the automobile

    unless either authorized by law or qualified to drive

    while your license is suspended or prohibited under any order from the court

    under the age prescribe by the province at which a license can be issued

    There is an interesting point though. "authorized by law OR qualified to drive" means that provided the driver is not suspended or prohibited and is old enough to obtain a license, the insurance coverage applies providing he is "qualified to drive". This means that if the driver was capable of passing the drivers test and obtaining a license at the time of the collision he can be considered qualified and the coverage will apply. From my understand this has been through the courts a few times with Hutterites driving without a license and getting into an accident and it was proved the driver was 'qualified to drive'.

    That being said, if the police catch you without a license you're still in trouble. But in the case of an accident the insurance still applies.


    Ruggzy_McTuggz sorry to answer the same questions, I was typing it when you're posted.

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    Originally posted by tom_9109



    The policy states you shall not drive or operate the automobile

    unless either authorized by law or qualified to drive

    while your license is suspended or prohibited under any order from the court

    under the age prescribe by the province at which a license can be issued

    There is an interesting point though. "authorized by law OR qualified to drive" means that provided the driver is not suspended or prohibited and is old enough to obtain a license, the insurance coverage applies providing he is "qualified to drive". This means that if the driver was capable of passing the drivers test and obtaining a license at the time of the collision he can be considered qualified and the coverage will apply. From my understand this has been through the courts a few times with Hutterites driving without a license and getting into an accident and it was proved the driver was 'qualified to drive'.

    That being said, if the police catch you without a license you're still in trouble. But in the case of an accident the insurance still applies.


    Ruggzy_McTuggz sorry to answer the same questions, I was typing it when you're posted.
    Its cool, your answer was all encompassing, and more helpful to Phil I am sure.

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