Do we need another FWD V8?

[Gripenfelter]

2004 Bonneville GXP 260hp Northstar V8.

[3g4me]

Why not. We live in Canada, where it snows. But if you dont like front wheel drive cars i have some good news for ya. By 2006 all caddys will be rwd.

[sputnik]

FWD isnt THAT much better in the snow... ive been driving RWD without any issues my entire life.

It's good to see that Pontiac finally figured out that the bodyside mouldings on their cars were ass-ugly.

[kevie88]

Do we need another FWD car at all? haha

[3g4me]

Originally posted by sputnik
FWD isnt THAT much better in the snow... ive been driving RWD without any issues my entire life.

It's good to see that Pontiac finally figured out that the bodyside mouldings on their cars were ass-ugly.

The only reason i think rwd cars suck in the winter is because i allways see someone in a beamer or camero or mustang stuck on ice trying to go up a hill that a front wheel drive old ass firefly can make it up.

Also i agree with your pontiac remark. It looks way better without the body mouldings.

[CarCat]

Originally posted by 3g4me

The only reason i think rwd cars suck in the winter is because i allways see someone in a beamer or camero or mustang stuck on ice trying to go up a hill that a front wheel drive old ass firefly can make it up.
Also i agree with your pontiac remark. It looks way better without the body mouldings.

Sound like that is from the 80's or may be early 90's ...

[3g4me]

Yea i guess they are making the rwd cars with snow in mind now. Ill actually check that out.:tongue:

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 3g4me



The only reason i think rwd cars suck in the winter is because i allways see someone in a beamer or camero or mustang stuck on ice trying to go up a hill that a front wheel drive old ass firefly can make it up.

Thats because those people don't know how to drive, its got nothing to do with driveline layout.

[hjr]

its generally to due with poor tire choice and poor driving. RWD isnt much worse than FWD in snow, its just that FWD is easier for the general public to deal with. As for a FWD v8, do we really need people who think ponitac is cool torque steering into us? Can you imagine? its probably close to uncontrolable in that situation...

[littledan]

pontiac = sucks

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by hjr
its generally to due with poor tire choice and poor driving. RWD isnt much worse than FWD in snow, its just that FWD is easier for the general public to deal with. As for a FWD v8, do we really need people who think ponitac is cool torque steering into us? Can you imagine? its probably close to uncontrolable in that situation...

Assuming pontiac is using the same shit trannys they have in the past. If they actually design one properly, with equal length half shafts then torque steer won't be a problem If they can tune the torque steer out of a saab, they can sure as hell do it to a pontiac.

[04blackMAX]

wow.....still looks soo cheap inside

[Aleks]

Originally posted by 04blackMAX
wow.....still looks soo cheap inside

I don't understand why they can't seem to do anything about their nasty interiors.

[DeSi]

yeah, i think ill prolly kill myself in that

[LamE]

Ugly ass piece of shit. They'll never improve....

[ZorroAMG]

Nasty interior, and the drivng of these cars feel the same from the Cavalier/Sunfire all the way up the range. The cars are BORING to drive and even more boring to look at...

[T5_X]

Originally posted by 4wheeldrift
Assuming pontiac is using the same shit trannys they have in the past. If they actually design one properly, with equal length half shafts then torque steer won't be a problem If they can tune the torque steer out of a saab, they can sure as hell do it to a pontiac.

Do you know how they engineered the tq steer out of the SAAB? I believe it was slight suspension tuning and electronic power limiting.
Equal length half-shafts hardly help out at all. You'll still have a huge difference in power delivery between wheels if the diff is offset to one side.

And yes, fuck you Pontiac. Kia deserves the "built for drivers" slogan more than you

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by T5_X


Do you know how they engineered the tq steer out of the SAAB? I believe it was slight suspension tuning and electronic power limiting.

My bad, it was done by revising suspension geometry and relocating the steering rack.

Originally posted by T5_X

Equal length half-shafts hardly help out at all. You'll still have a huge difference in power delivery between wheels if the diff is offset to one side.

Equal length half shafts do help because you generally don't get torque steer from a car with equal length half-shafts unless one of the wheels starts to slip. Because the distances are identical from the diff to the wheel, the force transmitted is likewise equal. It is not really possible to have equal length half shafts if the diff is offset to one side or the other (they could be equal length, but you would need a smaller prop shaft on one side or the other to actually transmit any power to one wheel).

That being said, its more than possible to tune the torque steer out of a front wheel drive with unequal length half shafts, if the engineers put their minds to it.

[benyl]

There are many cars that need to work out torque steer. Nissan has two that I can think of.

That car actually looks good on the outside... not so nice on the inside.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by altima


I don't understand why they can't seem to do anything about their nasty interiors.

its a pontiac trademark

Originally posted by T5_X


Do you know how they engineered the tq steer out of the SAAB? I believe it was slight suspension tuning and electronic power limiting.

i think thats how nissan tried to deal with tq steer in their newer fwd cars. it sucks tho, cuz the steering feels totally different when u are on the gas.