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    They've already eased some secondary suite restrictions in certain zones. Although, every single aldermen voted for it, some didn't know exactly what they were voting for. One more strike against those currently on council in that they don't even know what they're voting for sometimes.

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Al...332/story.html

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    Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
    You end up with 4 families living in 1 house, cars parked everywhere including peoples lawns.
    Nenshi did put provisions in his plan to prevent this. He mentioned about having being able to provide parking on the property.

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    Topic related to this forum - Mobility.

    Thought this Nenshi podcast was quite pursuasive - thoughts?

    http://www.buzzsprout.com/2383/16056...ast-4-mobility

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    Originally posted by guessboi
    I hope every one can chat and meet with Nenshi because he is a very smart man.

    Please do not discrimate Nenshi because he is brown, he is truly one of the best candidate who knows his stuff.

    Please vote no matter who you go for! otherwise dont complain if we vote in an idiot again.
    Yeah, sure, so long as you're not discriminating against other candidates because their white, homie.

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    Voting for the devil I know, rather than the Devil I do not - Ric M.

    Nenshi's warm and fuzzy platform is real cute.

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    Originally posted by Crymson


    I prefer that over sprawl though.

    I hate the fact that i have to pay high taxes to live in a condo downtown in order to subsidize retarded suburban couples who want a 2000 sq foot house in the middle of no where. Stop development and increase density until the transport network catches up, or lay the burden of the infrastructure on those costing the city money. Encourage business to move out of the core, establish other office hubs around the city with C-train and efficient access.

    Calgary is way to big of a town for everyone to get up each morning and have to drive 10-15k to for work.

    Please explain how you pay high taxes to subsidize those in the suburbs. Thanks.

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    Dirty downtown condo living isn't for everyone.

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    Originally posted by ShOwOfF



    Please explain how you pay high taxes to subsidize those in the suburbs. Thanks.
    http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/ne...re-costs-6004/

    I don't want to have to pay for the 10,000$ when i live in an area where the firestation, power and sewers have been paid off for probably 40 years and i seldom drive or have the need to use public transit. My level of "service" for what i pay in taxes is terrible.

    Sure, you'll scoff because it's from Nenshi's site but whatever.

    A $2 billion problem, $10,000 at a time
    Calgary, AB: A recent study has revealed Calgarians are on the hook to pay $10,000 more, just for sewer and water infrastructure, for every new house on the fringes of the city than we will ever get back in property taxes.

    City Council’s last-minute backroom deal to gut Plan-It Calgary is directly tied to this problem, and will cost Calgarians over $2 billion in excess taxes. All three aldermen currently running for mayor voted for this tax increase.

    “Calgarians have been tricked into thinking that support for the city’s growth equals support for the current development model,” says Mayoral Candidate Naheed Nenshi. “Let’s be clear, the vast majority of Calgarians pay significantly higher taxes to subsidize those buying new homes on the fringe.”

    “I think Calgarians should ask our current Council members how committing to $2 Billion in costs without revenue support is good for Calgarians. I also want to be clear, I am for development – just smart development that doesn’t unfairly burden taxpayers. We can do smart growth; we’ve done it in the past. Garrison Woods is smart growth.”

    Nenshi today released a detailed plan to create sustainable, walkable, livable, complete communities. Nenshi’s plan is to establish a proper framework for the development of vibrant new communities and to revitalize existing communities and downtown.

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    I'm sorry, but Nenshi needs to start explaining himself better.

    Originally posted by teamPRO


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    Originally posted by ShOwOfF



    Please explain how you pay high taxes to subsidize those in the suburbs. Thanks.
    People on the edge of the city pay less taxes due to lower property values.

    Being low density housing spread over a large area away from the core, it costs more to cover the sprawl with transit/road/sewer/emergency services.

    In other words, people living in far flung suburbs on the edge of the city are on municipal welfare.

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    Simple example:

    -People in Cranston (butt fuck no where) paid roughly $7M in taxes last year
    -People in Sunnyside (inner city) paid roughly $7M in taxes last year

    Sound fair? No... because Sunnyside has half the population of Cranston.

    Do the residents of Sunnyside frequently use the infrastructure and services in Cranston? Of course not! It's in buttfuck no where, nothing to see except for shitty cookie cutter houses.

    However the infrastructure of Sunnyside is constantly used by people outside the city. They commute through it, they use it to park their cars, they use it to go around busier roads during rush hour.

    It's not fair for smaller, more mature communities that have paid off their infrastructure, to subsidize the larger, newer communities. It's just not sustainable.

    And don't get me started on people who live in Airdrie, Okotoks or Chestermere and work in Calgary. If it was up to me there would be a toll road between Calgary and those leeches.

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    Originally posted by ShOwOfF



    Please explain how you pay high taxes to subsidize those in the suburbs. Thanks.
    Roads, sewers, water pipes, police stations, fire stations, schools, transportation and other such services aren't free. It costs more to add such buildings to an expanding city than the tax revenue collected from the residents in the expanding parts of the city, not to mention the cost of maintenance for the upkeep of the infrastructure goes up as well. That means the people in the inner city where things not only cost less to build in the first place but are also more cost efficient to maintain are paying a higher tax rate to subsidize the expansion of the city.

    Add the cost of this to whiskas explanation about the use of such neighborhoods and you've got quite the inequal use of a city going on.

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    Originally posted by whiskas
    Sound fair? No...
    I think it's unfair to assume that taxes have anything to do with fairness.
    'Fair' is a concept that the free market is familiar with but in politics fair is just a word used to manipulate and distort.

    If you're a slave and are upset that you get whipped more than the slaves that don't work as hard as you, to complain that it's not fair is to miss the core issue.
    It also doesn't get you anywhere to complain that the whippings are not evenly distributed, it's sort of humiliating.
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    Originally posted by Crymson


    http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/ne...re-costs-6004/

    I don't want to have to pay for the 10,000$ when i live in an area where the firestation, power and sewers have been paid off for probably 40 years and i seldom drive or have the need to use public transit. My level of "service" for what i pay in taxes is terrible.

    Sure, you'll scoff because it's from Nenshi's site but whatever.

    What would your solution be so that a portion of your tax dollars aren't used for those living in suburban areas?

    No Sprawl? - Imagine your standard of living if we had 1mm people living inside of a 15km radius.

    Equal Property Taxes for everyone living within the city limits? - I bet that the current average Suburban Calgary home owner pays more Property Tax than the current average Inner City Condo owner. I'm not so sure you would be so anti-sprawl if the tax rate was flat for each home owner.

    Dont forget that the inner city -40 year old infrastructure is going to need upgrades.

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    Originally posted by whiskas
    Simple example:

    -People in Cranston (butt fuck no where) paid roughly $7M in taxes last year
    -People in Sunnyside (inner city) paid roughly $7M in taxes last year

    Sound fair? No... because Sunnyside has half the population of Cranston.

    Do the residents of Sunnyside frequently use the infrastructure and services in Cranston? Of course not! It's in buttfuck no where, nothing to see except for shitty cookie cutter houses.

    However the infrastructure of Sunnyside is constantly used by people outside the city. They commute through it, they use it to park their cars, they use it to go around busier roads during rush hour.

    It's not fair for smaller, more mature communities that have paid off their infrastructure, to subsidize the larger, newer communities. It's just not sustainable.

    And don't get me started on people who live in Airdrie, Okotoks or Chestermere and work in Calgary. If it was up to me there would be a toll road between Calgary and those leeches.
    So you think there should be different tax rates among different communities within Calgary? I'm by no means a socialist. In fact, i actually lean to the Right. But i have to ask what you think a plausible solution is to your Sunnyside Traffic Problem?

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    Originally posted by ShOwOfF


    So you think there should be different tax rates among different communities within Calgary? I'm by no means a socialist. In fact, i actually lean to the Right. But i have to ask what you think a plausible solution is to your Sunnyside Traffic Problem?
    By suppporting taxes based on assessed value's of homes the property tax system is ridiculously communist, and not even in the good sense of "the have's should pay to support the have nots". It's the "already haves are supporting and subsidizing the inflated sense of entitlement and space requirements for the other haves"

    Someone's who house costs twice that of another by virtue of it's placement in the city should not pay double the taxes. The reality is that it should actually be reversed until such a time as the new communites infrastructure is bought and paid for, or better yet, demand that fee be paid in full by the developers and pass the costs onto the consumers who choose larger homes further away from where they need to be each day.
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    Originally posted by Crymson


    By suppporting taxes based on assessed value's of homes the property tax system is ridiculously communist, and not even in the good sense of "the have's should pay to support the have nots". It's the "already haves are supporting and subsidizing the inflated sense of entitlement and space requirements for the other haves"

    Someone's who house costs twice that of another by virtue of it's placement in the city should not pay double the taxes. The reality is that it should actually be reversed until such a time as the new communites infrastructure is bought and paid for, or better yet, demand that fee be paid in full by the developers and pass the costs onto the consumers who choose larger homes further away from where they need to be each day.
    Again, I actually lean further to the Right on the political spectrum; so am not in total disagreement to what you are saying but if this policy was enacted all you would get is long term stagflation.

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    Originally posted by ShOwOfF


    So you think there should be different tax rates among different communities within Calgary? I'm by no means a socialist. In fact, i actually lean to the Right. But i have to ask what you think a plausible solution is to your Sunnyside Traffic Problem?
    My solution would be to provide scaled tax incentives for those living closer to the core. As a reward for using existing infrastructure and services more efficiently.

    Or alternatively, provide scaled tax increases for those living farther away from the core. Although I think my former idea would pass over better while maintaining the same result

    Someone who walks 5 blocks to work everyday shouldn't be paying more for all the interchanges and highways than someone who uses them driving 30 minutes to work everyday.
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    Originally posted by ShOwOfF


    Again, I actually lean further to the Right on the political spectrum; so am not in total disagreement to what you are saying but if this policy was enacted all you would get is long term stagflation.
    But the point that you're making with your post, is almost identical to the one that Nenshi posted on his website blog which i quoted above.

    That people in calgary have become blinded to the fact that you can have development without just mindlessly expanding the cities boundaries but we've been brainwashed into thinking "growth == expansion" by lack of any alternative approaches. Calgary needs to create walkable, sustainable communites.

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    Originally posted by whiskas
    Simple example:

    -People in Cranston (butt fuck no where) paid roughly $7M in taxes last year
    -People in Sunnyside (inner city) paid roughly $7M in taxes last year

    Sound fair? No... because Sunnyside has half the population of Cranston.

    Do the residents of Sunnyside frequently use the infrastructure and services in Cranston? Of course not! It's in buttfuck no where, nothing to see except for shitty cookie cutter houses.

    However the infrastructure of Sunnyside is constantly used by people outside the city. They commute through it, they use it to park their cars, they use it to go around busier roads during rush hour.

    It's not fair for smaller, more mature communities that have paid off their infrastructure, to subsidize the larger, newer communities. It's just not sustainable.

    And don't get me started on people who live in Airdrie, Okotoks or Chestermere and work in Calgary. If it was up to me there would be a toll road between Calgary and those leeches.

    couldn't have said it better myself, seems only Nenshi has thought this one through

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