Quantcast
Calgary rodeo condemned by U.K. MPs, activists - Page 14 - Beyond.ca - Car Forums
Page 14 of 18 FirstFirst ... 4 13 14 15 ... LastLast
Results 261 to 280 of 357

Thread: Calgary rodeo condemned by U.K. MPs, activists

  1. #261
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Victoria
    My Ride
    1990 4runner
    Posts
    259
    Rep Power
    17

    Default

    Originally posted by bignerd


    Is there an article somewhere that posted the age of the horses? It seems to me if you are going to an event to compete for thousands of dollars in winnings, you are going to take your tried and true horse that you can count on since it is sort of a one shot deal, not a horse that is green.
    This is true for the sports that require experienced horses. The roping events, barrel racing, penning etc all need very practiced horses that will help the riders get the lowest time possible.

  2. #262
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Medicine Hat AB
    My Ride
    General Motors Competizione
    Posts
    1,461
    Rep Power
    100

    Default

    Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
    [B]I went to the rodeo for the first time in my life this week. I've never even watched it on TV before. I had 1st row infield tickets so I could see everything very clearly. Honestly, I don't think I'll ever be back, it seemed like nearly every animal was basically being tortured in some way. The very first horse I even saw got injured, I was there on Monday, I don't know if it was a broken leg/back or what but after the horse finished bucking it just kind of sat down and then the truck came out and got it. Anyways here were my impressions from someone having never seen a rodeo before:
    Going to one rodeo doesn't make you an expert.

    1) Calf roping - The calf has a lasso put around its neck and while it's running as fast as it can in the opposite direction, the cowboy yanks the rope as hard as he can, sending the calf airborne before it lands. Then, after its tied up and completely helpless, if the cowboy's horse moves around, the tied up calf is dragged through the mud. Nice.
    I don't doubt that it's unpleasant, but I do doubt that it comes with the lasting mental and physical anguish that it seems like people think it does. I've done it on the farm. Yeah, they don't like it when it's being done. But a minute after, they're back up and fucking around like they were before. The only difference is that it doesn't occur in front of thousands of spectators so maybe the calf will be embarrassed.

    2) Steer wrestling - The cowboy lands on/near the steer and twists its neck as hard as possible until the steer flips over. I'm sure it just loves that.
    See above, except I haven't done it. I bet they don't love it, but I bet a minute after they don't give a shit anymore.

    3) The horse-bucking events....they tie a strap around the horse's hind quarter and some guy uses the strength of his entire body and then some to tighten this strap so that the horse bucks. That seems like it would be fairly terrible. Then, the horse has to keep the strap on until they can ride up to it and release the strap, which doesn't always happen quickly.
    The strap the rider is tied to isn't tight. It's motherfucking tight to his hand, but it's not tight to the horse. My dad used to ride bareback (and then mom had me! Get it? el oh el!) and he showed me how he did it (how he tied his rope, not how he knocked up a girl he wasn't married to).

    4) Bull riding - it looks like they have the same strap around them as the horses, but my understanding is that it's also somehow around the bulls nuts. Also, when they are in the gates ready to go, they get so terrified that they try to get out, and they end up smashing their heads/limbs on the metal bars while trying to climb out.
    One, if it wasn't necessary to tie it around the horse's nuts, which they don't have, why would it be necessary to tie it around the bull's? And two, they aren't terrified, they're just assholes. Bulls are assholes that are hard to deal with. That's just the way they are.

    5) Barrel racing - seemed fine to me, probably one of the more humane events.
    It probably is.

    6) Chuck wagons - This seems like one of the most pointless things ever. A bunch of horses pull wagons around around in a circle at an extremely slow rate of speed (compared to most other forms of racing), and horses get killed on a regular basis. This was one of the least entertaining things I've ever seen.
    Chucks get really dodgy sometimes, but deaths aren't regular.

    Also it is my understanding that they don't bother (or can't, I'm not sure) to fix things like broken legs, they simply shoot the horse. So, they are subjected to unnatural activities that put them at extremely high risk of injury, then shoot them when they do end up getting hurt.
    They're going to get killed anyway. Not too many people raise animals for a profit and let them die a natural death. Whether it's an injury from a sport (or spectacle, or whatever) or just being ready to butcher, that animal is going to die. Getting it done early as opposed to dragging it out is probably doing the animal a favor.

    The other thing is that you can't explain to the animals what is going on, in some events, like calf roping, the animal probably thinks it is going to die every single time. That itself is a form of torture IMO.
    See what I said regarding 1). The effects, whatever they may be, don't last. I've never seen a calf that needed to see a shrink twice a week or is on medication to deal with the time some guy made it feel bad in front of a bunch of other guys.

    The rest of your post I don't care about.

  3. #263
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    D40/ED9/R6
    Posts
    1,103
    Rep Power
    15

    Default

    I lol when people trying to justify the harm by saying they get up and forget about it 2 mins later.

    I never knew abuse justification was directly related to memory capabilities.
    "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners."

  4. #264
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Medicine Hat AB
    My Ride
    General Motors Competizione
    Posts
    1,461
    Rep Power
    100

    Default

    Originally posted by Modelexis
    I lol when people trying to justify the harm by saying they get up and forget about it 2 mins later.

    I never knew abuse justification was directly related to memory capabilities.
    I lol when people don't understand things. The point is that if it was any real harm, it would last. Since it doesn't, it isn't.

  5. #265
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    calgary
    My Ride
    WAO Arrival
    Posts
    1,274
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    Originally posted by SKR


    I lol when people don't understand things. The point is that if it was any real harm, it would last. Since it doesn't, it isn't.
    Yah, that makes sense...when a dude hits his kids, them wounds heal up and in few weeks. No harm done!

    So if (for example of course) I was to kick you in the nuts, you would prob heal up in a day or two...would you understand that?

  6. #266
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Medicine Hat AB
    My Ride
    General Motors Competizione
    Posts
    1,461
    Rep Power
    100

    Default

    Originally posted by syeve


    Yah, that makes sense...when a dude hits his kids, them wounds heal up and in few weeks. No harm done!

    So if (for example of course) I was to kick you in the nuts, you would prob heal up in a day or two...would you understand that?
    Yeah, because that's what I meant. It's only cruelty if it kills you.

    If they were hurt, you'd see it after. You don't. They act the same right after as they were before. I'd concede that the calves that do get roped might be embarrassed and ashamed, but I don't think they have the mental capacity to feel that way.

    They're not physically harmed, and they're not emotionally harmed. What other harm is there?

  7. #267
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Unknown
    Posts
    1,157
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Originally posted by Kloubek


    I believe extremists in *any* capacity can be dangerous and to some degree detrimental to the very cause they represent.
    Agreed on all levels.

    I have more to say, but I'm late for a stoning.
    Last edited by Seth1968; 07-15-2010 at 12:07 PM.

  8. #268
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    D40/ED9/R6
    Posts
    1,103
    Rep Power
    15

    Default

    Originally posted by SKR
    They're not physically harmed
    I don't doubt that it's unpleasant
    You just owned yourself.
    Being kicked in the nuts would also be unpleasant, to use the previous poster's analogy.

    You went from making an argument that memory relates to abuse and then you changed to say that lasting harm is what actually relates to abuse.
    Neither of these arguments are valid.
    Last edited by Modelexis; 07-15-2010 at 12:08 PM.
    "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners."

  9. #269
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Unknown
    Posts
    1,157
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Originally posted by SKR


    Yeah, because that's what I meant. It's only cruelty if it kills you.

    If they were hurt, you'd see it after. You don't. They act the same right after as they were before. I'd concede that the calves that do get roped might be embarrassed and ashamed, but I don't think they have the mental capacity to feel that way.

    They're not physically harmed, and they're not emotionally harmed. What other harm is there?
    Please tell me that you haven't bore children.

  10. #270
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    planet earth.
    Posts
    532
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    is anyone else surprised that SKR is properly using there/their/they're and "'s"es?

  11. #271
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Victoria
    My Ride
    1990 4runner
    Posts
    259
    Rep Power
    17

    Default

    Originally posted by SKR


    Yeah, because that's what I meant. It's only cruelty if it kills you.

    There's a difference between "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and saying that cruelty is only that which ends in death. Stampede examples aside, what about that girl that was kept in a basement for 18 years and forced to mother two kids to some psycho. Is that not the definition of cruelty?

  12. #272
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    planet earth.
    Posts
    532
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    another horse died yesterday, bringing the Annual Stampede Horse Death Count to 5.

    heck, since it's ok to kill animals for entertainment, I think we should start placing bets on the 2010 ASHDC total.

    I'm gonna put $100 on 2010 ASHDC total = 8.

  13. #273
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    FJR1300/2018 Giant Trance 3
    Posts
    1,649
    Rep Power
    19

    Default

    Originally posted by nonlinear
    another horse died yesterday, bringing the Annual Stampede Horse Death Count to 5.

    heck, since it's ok to kill animals for entertainment, I think we should start placing bets on the 2010 ASHDC total.

    I'm gonna put $100 on 2010 ASHDC total = 8.
    I'll take that bet.

    "We need a vaccination for stupidity, with booster shots against an unwillingness to learn."

  14. #274
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    calgary
    My Ride
    WAO Arrival
    Posts
    1,274
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    Originally posted by codetrap


    I'll take that bet.
    lol

    To be fair, I have no real problem with any of the events except calf roping. In my humble opinion, this is one event that we could do without. I just got back from a stampede lunch, free beer, tonnes of food, hot weather, hot women...I really do love the stampede.

  15. #275
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Parked in Baygirl's garage.
    My Ride
    '21 F150 PowerBoost
    Posts
    4,592
    Rep Power
    29

    Default

    you know, who is to say, that it is not like a real tight virgin.

    The first time, it might hurt a little and be scary, but after, she is bragging to her friends.

    the second time, she is more enthusiastic, but there is still some pain or discomfort.

    now she is a sex addict, and it is nothing but pleasure! SHE LOVES IT, and craves it and the anticipation drives her wild!

    same thing for the livestock. and yes, you can watch virgins get nailed, it is called PORN!

    /sarcasm

    I can't believe how many bleeding hearts are on beyond.
    Boosted life tip #329
    Girlfriends cost money
    Turbos cost money
    Both make whining noises
    Make the smart choice.

    Originally posted by Mibz
    Always a fucking awful experience seeing spikers. Extra awful when he laps me.

  16. #276
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    4 doors, 4 cylinders
    Posts
    22
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Originally posted by syeve


    Yah, that makes sense...when a dude hits his kids, them wounds heal up and in few weeks. No harm done!

    So if (for example of course) I was to kick you in the nuts, you would prob heal up in a day or two...would you understand that?
    Seconds do not equal days or weeks.

    A calf gets up, shakes the dirt off and goes on it's way.

    There is no bruising, no physical damage to heal, nothing the other calves are going to see and be like 'oh snap, Clarence, what happened to your neck dude?'.

    Once again... just because it LOOKS painful, which it certainly does, I'm not arguing that, but it certainly doesn't mean it is.

    It would be painful for a dog, painful for a cat, painful for a human baby. Yes it sure would. But a cow is not a dog. It is not a cat. And it is not a human baby.

    It is a cow. Built differently than other animals, as God had a tendency to do. Comparing a cow to a dog or cat would be like comparing a giraffe to a monkey. Different animals are just that, different.

    I could punch a house cat in the face and knock it the funk out. I could also punch a grizzly bear in the face, and he would eat me. Different tolerances for pain.

    That being said, here is a good comparison with a dog: Let's say Fido is tied up in the back yard. A long rope attached to his collar. Fido sees a rabbit and goes barreling after it, but Fido's rope is just a bit too short. What happens? YANK, and Fido ends up on his back. A scenario that has undoubtedly happened millions of times around the world. Does Fido lay there like 'oh God, get me to a doctor, this is unbearable!'... no, he gets up and sheepishly walks back to the porch.

    And to relate that back to what I said before, cows have a higher pain tolerance than that, so to a cow, getting roped is literally NOTHING. They are scared because they are being chased, yes. But there is NO physical damage, and no emotional damage that lasts more than a few SECONDS. Not days or weeks. They don't have trouble walking afterwards.

    It's not a hard concept to grasp, but everyone is so hung up on how it 'looks'. Just oblivious to the factual reality of it all.
    Just because it happened to you, doesn't make it interesting.

  17. #277
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    calgary
    My Ride
    WAO Arrival
    Posts
    1,274
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    Originally posted by JustGo
    ...as God had a tendency to do...
    lol..who?

  18. #278
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Calgary
    My Ride
    4 doors, 4 cylinders
    Posts
    22
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Originally posted by syeve


    lol..who?
    My bad... Darwin.
    Just because it happened to you, doesn't make it interesting.

  19. #279
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Medicine Hat AB
    My Ride
    General Motors Competizione
    Posts
    1,461
    Rep Power
    100

    Default

    Originally posted by Modelexis




    You just owned yourself.
    Being kicked in the nuts would also be unpleasant, to use the previous poster's analogy.

    You went from making an argument that memory relates to abuse and then you changed to say that lasting harm is what actually relates to abuse.
    Neither of these arguments are valid.
    I didn't own myself. As far as I know "unpleasant" and "harm" aren't synonymous.

    Edit: missed where you said I was making an argument regarding memory. No I fucking wasn't. I was making the argument, correctly, that if the animal was harmed you would see some effects after. But you don't. They're up and fucking around again just like they always do. I never said the word "memory", nor did I say that you have to remember it to be harmed by it. Goldfish have shitty memory capacity, but that doesn't mean it's okay to pull it out of the bowl and poke it with a pin.

    Regarding kicking me in the nuts, yeah, that's going to suck alright. I'll probably grab my crotch, go down, say "ouch" a lot, and so on. For a while after I will probably have a little trouble walking. You don't see any of that from a calf, except a moo. Which isn't indicitave of pain or fear.

    Originally posted by Seth1968


    Please tell me that you haven't bore children.
    I am too ugly and my personality is too caustic to attract girls. So no.

    Originally posted by nonlinear
    is anyone else surprised that SKR is properly using there/their/they're and "'s"es?
    I'm good at readin' and ritin'.

    Originally posted by Freeskier


    There's a difference between "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and saying that cruelty is only that which ends in death. Stampede examples aside, what about that girl that was kept in a basement for 18 years and forced to mother two kids to some psycho. Is that not the definition of cruelty?
    You might have missed the sarcasm. I don't really think that something needs to die before you call its treatment "cruel". But when they're happy before being roped or wrassled or whatever, and they're happy seconds to minutes at most after, I have a hard time saying that it was harmed. If it wasn't harmed, then the act wasn't cruel, and if it wasn't cruel, then there's no problem.
    Last edited by SKR; 07-15-2010 at 02:41 PM.

  20. #280
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    planet earth.
    Posts
    532
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Originally posted by turbotrip

    arguing with the people on beyond is pretty useless considering the vast majority are still teenagers or lifetime failures who are mad at the world
    Last edited by nonlinear; 07-15-2010 at 02:43 PM.

Page 14 of 18 FirstFirst ... 4 13 14 15 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Israelis are using credit cards stolen from detained activists?

    By LollerBrader in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 19
    Latest Threads: 08-31-2013, 11:23 AM
  2. Where are all the Green Peace activists?

    By freshprince1 in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 11
    Latest Threads: 10-29-2009, 12:02 AM
  3. fs: jvc kd-ar7000 mps deck

    By Z24 in forum Automotive Parts [Audio/Video/Radar Systems]
    Replies: 5
    Latest Threads: 10-05-2004, 09:09 PM
  4. Israeli Terrorism AGAIN condemned by the UN...

    By Toma in forum Society / Law / Current Events / Politics
    Replies: 58
    Latest Threads: 06-01-2004, 11:57 PM
  5. Mazda6 MPS

    By Stratus_Power in forum Cars, Bikes, Machines
    Replies: 20
    Latest Threads: 01-06-2004, 07:32 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •