Religion, Politics and the End of the World

[Nusc]

All this talk about religion on this forum isn't very enticing.

[DayGlow]

You know, at least ZenOps is entertaining.

[CUG]

^ No kidding.

[dbl0svn]

Originally posted by DayGlow
You know, at least ZenOps is entertaining.

[revelations]

Originally posted by DayGlow
You know, at least ZenOps is entertaining.

who?








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[Cos]

Originally posted by DayGlow
You know, at least ZenOps is entertaining.

Shut up pi...... errr.... wait that doesnt work here....





































Hate to say it but he is right....... I dont understand where/why you find these things.

[Canmorite]

No one likes or appreciates Sam Harris' work?

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by Canmorite
No one likes or appreciates Sam Harris' work?

I do

Great speaker and great writer.

[masoncgy]

At least ZenOps offers up a well detailed position... regardless of how crazy it might be.

[DRKM]

Sam Harris is an amazing speaker and writer. I love how calm he is throughout the whole thing.

[Modelexis]

I didn't really like the debate that much, I thought that Harris gave the religious guy WAY too much slack and divergence.

In the start of the debate it sounded like Harris was doing a great job of laying out his position and the typical noise that gets thrown at it and why it's not to be given credit.

Then goes onto make a great argument that the moderator seemed to agree with and posed a tough question to the religious guy.

Next what happened was the religious guy went on a big rant about nothing, a bit cloud of fog and make believe, hoping to dodge the question.

Then was able to turn out a few questions to Sam which sadly hooked him and kept him busy and forgetting about and getting off track of the key points he made at the start.

Sam allowed him to get into statistics and opinion and all these junk, he didn't even force the religious guy to give a clear stance or define god or ANYTHING.

The religious guy who is obviously well acquainted with the culture and had superior experience was able to transform the debate into a political one rather than a religious one.

Brutal debate, the religious guy said god is a verb, which is not true and i doubt this is what he thinks, unless he's a massive troll, and then goes on to tossing political and opinion based comments until Sam responds and wastes time trying to conquer.

Sam uses the 'weapons of mass destruction' argument to toss at religion, but I don't think its helpful to go that far with religion, IMO he should have stuck with removing credit from religion rather than going on opinion quests about what it is capable of or what it has done in the past.
BUT he should have just not given that much credit to the religious view, simply telling the guy his god doesn't exist would be a fine way to hover around.
There wasn't enough establishing of views being put to the religious nut.

I don't even think it's healthy to debate religious people, by offering a debate you are giving them the credit of having a possibility of winning the debate.
We don't debate the existence of unicorns because that would give them a vague ounce of possible credit, which they don't deserve.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by DRKM
Sam Harris is an amazing speaker and writer. I love how calm he is throughout the whole thing.

He did lose it at a few points but in a calm way. Comparing religion to Nazism is straight trolling.

While we are on the subject of religion.....

[Nusc]

Originally posted by Xtrema


He did lose it at a few points but in a calm way. Comparing religion to Nazism is straight trolling.

While we are on the subject of religion.....

American Fascists, Chris Hedges on The Hour (CBC)

[Dycker]

Originally posted by Nusc
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Chris Hedges compared christian fundies to fascists, not religion to nazism in general.

Nusc, please stop.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Nusc


American Fascists, Chris Hedges on The Hour (CBC)
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Dycker nailed it. You are against religion and you are an atheist, I get it. Religions need more Chris Hedges and less Pat Robertson or Al Sharpton. The morals religion teaches are good. Mindless following one's opinions based strictly on faith is bad.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Mindless following one's opinions based strictly on faith.

You just described every religion that has ever existed.

hmm
Also, the fact that religious texts contain debatable moral laws doesn't say anything about the existence of a god.
I accept the 'strong atheist' position as true in that I know for certain there is no god.

[Dycker]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Religions need more Chris Hedges and less Pat Robertson or Al Sharpton. The morals religion teaches are good. Mindless following one's opinions based strictly on faith is bad.

Originally posted by Modelexis
Also, the fact that religious texts contain debatable moral laws doesn't say anything about the existence of a god.

Voices of reason.

[Nusc]

Originally posted by Dycker

Chris Hedges compared christian fundies to fascists, not religion to nazism in general.

Nusc, please stop.

Your analysis is wrong.

Given the ideological nature at the time, nazism had a religious elements to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...ects_of_Nazism

Look at the hordes Hitler attracted during his speeches.

[Nusc]

Originally posted by Dycker



Voices of reason.

First, while it may be obvious why Chris hedges is needed in the religious world, Xtrema does not say why.

Second, when he refers to the teachings of religious morals, not only do does he miss where they are derived from, he insists that are good.

Which religion is he referring to?

This is not reason.

[Dycker]

Originally posted by Nusc
Your analysis is wrong.

Given the ideological nature at the time, nazism had a religious elements to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...pects_of_Nazism

Look at the hordes Hitler attracted during his speeches.

My analysis of the video clip was spot on. He WAS mentioning ALL fascist states, not just the Nazis.

Originally posted by Nusc
First, while it may be obvious why Chris hedges is needed in the religious world, Xtrema does not say why.

Second, when he refers to the teachings of religious morals, not only do does he miss where they are derived from, he insists that are good.

Which religion is he referring to?

This is not reason.

I am saying Xtrema and Modelexis are voices of reason, not Chris Hedges.

Please tell me why are you arguing against a video you posted? Were you merely mistaken by what the two nice people in the video were talking about? Could it be that you are posting videos at random to troll for a bite??