Viper ACR Track Performance Debate

[5.9 R/T]

It's funny how vipers look so much bigger then they really are. I remember when i saw a viper for the first time i was amazed at how small it was. God those are sexy cars!

[rage2]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T
It's funny how vipers look so much bigger then they really are. I remember when i saw a viper for the first time i was amazed at how small it was. God those are sexy cars!

You must be kidding me... Viper's are boats. They handle like crap (the street cars, not the race cars) and they brake like crap. Sure they're fast in a straight line, but after driving it for 30 minutes, you don't want to drive 30 minutes to get home and switch cars.

[ScCab]

Originally posted by rage2


You must be kidding me... Viper's are boats. They handle like crap (the street cars, not the race cars) and they brake like crap. Sure they're fast in a straight line, but after driving it for 30 minutes, you don't want to drive 30 minutes to get home and switch cars.

agreed they are big and not fun to drive after 30mins. but lots of power on the straight

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by rage2


You must be kidding me... Viper's are boats. They handle like crap (the street cars, not the race cars) and they brake like crap. Sure they're fast in a straight line, but after driving it for 30 minutes, you don't want to drive 30 minutes to get home and switch cars.

They really arn't all that big in person, like i said in pictures they look much bigger. I was just commenting on my experience looking at them, you didn't have to go off on a tangent about their handling and what not. Just because your 944 can't beat one... j/k

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by rage2


and they brake like crap.

I've heard the brakes smell like crap too.

[rage2]

The Viper's scared of my 944 .

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by ScCab


agreed they are big and not fun to drive after 30mins. but lots of power on the straight

They are comparable in size to your BMW. Just wider and lower. That really isn't that big, but size is relative i guess.

[speedracer]

The vipers are difficult to drive due to the over abundance of torque IMO.

I've taken one out for a spin on the track and my gawd is it scary in the corners. Just a slight blip in the throtle and the tires break loose. Come to think of it in any gear with any modulation on the gas pedal would break the car loose. Very hard to to drive smooth... But lots of fun

No one would trust me long enough let along for 30 mins to drive one on the street

[turkeysilk]

I've heard a lot of talk about Vipers being not that good, and up until about 4 weeks ago I would have agreed with you. The Viper ACR pulls almost a full G in the Skipad, which not even Rage2 can say. Up until 02 didn't brake well, but now they brake very well. They are one of the best bang-for-buck performance cars on the market today.

[redline_13000]

vipers are frickin boats...thats why they need that 8.3 liter to make em move..but its still a beautiful car..i dont think the braking is that good since its so big..and ya those wide tires still cant get enough traction to the ground...imagine and awd viper hahah

[[GaGe]]

Vipers may be fast on the straight, but they're not too good on the corners. They're pretty heavy.

[rage2]

Originally posted by turkeysilk
I've heard a lot of talk about Vipers being not that good, and up until about 4 weeks ago I would have agreed with you. The Viper ACR pulls almost a full G in the Skipad, which not even Rage2 can say. Up until 02 didn't brake well, but now they brake very well. They are one of the best bang-for-buck performance cars on the market today.

Maximum lateral G's doesn't mean shit. Try transitioning in a Viper. Talk to ANY Viper owner that's taken it to the track or driven it hard on the street. Both me and ScCab have lots of seat time in the Viper ACR. The last Viper that was out at Solo2, it spun on the *1st turn*.

[rage2]

Originally posted by turkeysilk
The Viper ACR pulls almost a full G in the Skipad, which not even Rage2 can say.

Almost a full G? Look what I found :



That was in the 944 turbo a few years ago using Bridgestone Potenza S-02's and relatively stock suspension. Calculated using G-Tech Pro in continuous G's mode, meaning you have to hold that G force for a few seconds before it registers (instant g's are far from accurate, I can hit 1.2g's easily on entry).

[MYKN]

OUCHED owned!

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[Speed_RaSiR]

That one parks right accross from my building where i work in the parkade, I stare at it all day... lol

[turkeysilk]

Originally posted by rage2


Maximum lateral G's doesn't mean shit. Try transitioning in a Viper. Talk to ANY Viper owner that's taken it to the track or driven it hard on the street. Both me and ScCab have lots of seat time in the Viper ACR. The last Viper that was out at Solo2, it spun on the *1st turn*.

Perhaps the person that spun out may not have been that great a driver, (MAYBE). I'm sure that it is hard to drive, but any car that is as fast a a 911 Turbo and costs $30 000 less earns my respect.

[rage2]

Originally posted by turkeysilk
I'm sure that it is hard to drive, but any car that is as fast a a 911 Turbo and costs $30 000 less earns my respect.

Actually, the Viper ACR (or even the 450hp standard Vipers) is faster than the 996 twin turbo in a straight line hands down. Nobody's saying a Viper's slow in a straight line, we're talking about how the car handles and stops.

[5.9 R/T]

*puts bench racing helmet on*

I dunno man. According to road and track, with mario andretti behind the wheel, the viper was the quickest through a transition and hairpin turn out of all the cars. There wasn't a 911 turbo but carrara 4, lotus esprit, nsx, F355, and corvette. They were all about 1/2 second behind the viper through both the transition and the hair pin. These arn't the top cars anymore of their respective models in most cases anyways, but a 1/2 second is a lot when we are talking about 10-12 second lap sections.

On the other hand though, in the subjective ratings the viper was rated lowest in the sections of brakes, steering, and L to R transiton. Despite all that it was still by far the fastest car in the group. So rage i think your presenting a little bit of a biased look on this car. Yes, even mario said it's a hard car to drive, but if you have the skill to control it properly it can also be a very quick car, both in the straights and in the corners.

[Ekliptix]

I would personally rather own a Z06 over an acr

[rage2]

There are some places where the Viper can make up tons of time with it's brutal amounts of torque and power, not to mention big fat tires. Slower corners, the Viper probably has better cornering than a lot of cars where fat tires matter more than suspension/aerodynamics. The exit can gain tons on lesser powered cars... the F355 and the corvette can't compare to the Viper in terms of raw power. As a comparison, kenny's car can beat F355's and non Z06 vettes by a little bit (they're close) in a straight line, but the Viper pulls carlengths on the little AMG very easily.

As an example, on a slow 1st gear corner, I've floored the ACR and the tail doesn't slide out, just grips. Once you get into the 2nd and 3rd gear corners, the car is very twitchy and on the edge. Grip isn't anything spectacular either, so many times you're over confident and enter corners a wee bit too fast =).

As for me being biased, I'm just giving an opinion based on seat time in the car. Maybe my expectations were too high before I drove it.