Merged: Ongoing events in Libya

[Toma]

Chomsy -> Libya is a Civil War.

http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=451

As we’ve been watching the conflict in Libya play out exactly like the war in Iraq, and being keen to their tricks and tactics, we began examining pictures, videos and other evidence to lead us to the conclusion that this entire ordeal is a CIA-backed coup. We believe there is actually very little conflict (if any) aside from the false flags perpetuated by

If the Russians are correct and the Libyans did not bomb their own people, it brings up two questions: Why did the “western media” lie about airstrikes being launched against protesters? And why are the Russians telling us it’s a lie now – a fter eight days?

http://thepopulist.net/?p=11412

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever.” - George Orwell.

The bombing of Libya will begin on or nearly to the day, of the eighth anniversary of the beginning of the destruction of Iraq, 19th March, in Europe. Libya too will be destroyed - its schools, education system, water, infrastructure, hospitals, municipal buildings. There will be numerous "tragic mistakes", "collateral damage", mothers, fathers, children, babies, grandparents, blind and deaf schools and on and on. And the wonders of the Roman remains and earlier, largely enduring and revered in all history's turmoils as Iraq, the nation's history - and humanity's, again as Iraq and Afghanistan, will be gone, for ever.

The infrastructure will be destroyed. The embargo will remain in place, thus rebuilding will be impossible. Britain, France and the US., will decide the country needs "stabilising", "help with reconstruction." They will move in, secure the oil installations and oil fields, the Libyan people will be an incidental inconvenience and quickly become "the enemy", "insurgents", be shot, imprisoned, tortured, abused - and a US friendly puppet "government" will be installed.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/18

[FraserB]

I am really getting sick and tired of countries getting involved in the affairs of others where they have no real right to. The truth is that if Libya didn't have oil, no one would give a shit about a bunch of protesters getting shot and a civil war going on.

[CUG]

FraserB, good observation. You should read "Shake Hands with the Devil"

Toma, of course it's the CIA.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by CUG

FraserB, good observation. You should read "Shake Hands with the Devil"

Toma, of course it's the CIA.

1.) This is NOT Rwanda. There is no Genocide or Atrocities.

2.) One of the other PMs there noted on his facebook page that the rebels had 'modern western weapons', just before he got out to Tunisia.

He's one of the most bland people I have ever met. Hard to believe he would just make something like that up.

/truth and common sense

start trolling

[5hift]

Originally posted by FraserB
The truth is that if Libya didn't have oil, no one would give a shit about a bunch of protesters getting shot and a civil war going on.

Re Bahrian

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12769168

Fuck, if you give them enough oil they wont just just a blind eye, they will equip and train you

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...230188238.html

[CUG]

Originally posted by broken_legs


1.) This is NOT Rwanda. There is no Genocide or Atrocities.

2.) One of the other PMs there noted on his facebook page that the rebels had 'modern western weapons', just before he got out to Tunisia.

He's one of the most bland people I have ever met. Hard to believe he would just make something like that up.

/truth and common sense

start trolling

I don't know how much more could possibly go over your head, but it's getting pretty bad.

You're so brilliant and logical that you think because somebody is bland, that they wouldn't lie to you. I hope I don't have to explain why I pay little mind to your fabricated details; you don't possess sound logical reasoning to begin with. Nothing I could ever possibly say to you will ever create more of a demise to your ethos than what you say yourself.

Don't take it personally, it's just the way intellectually mature people tend to operate.

[blueToy]

Bump for a must read about this new " WAR " .

Thanks Toma for posting .

[Toma]

Originally posted by blueToy
Bump for a must read about this new " WAR " .

Thanks Toma for posting .

Thanks, its important people realize that AGAIN we were force fed LIES and deception...

and SICKENING that SOME have fallen for it now at least 5 times form the same people in the last 20 years.

[Guillermo]

i'm sorry, but this isn't 1850. people communicate instantly around the world, and the politics and economies of every country are now intertwined. goods and services produced in one part of the world are consumed in another, and vice versa. thus, i don't understand how people can still have this isolationist view where militaries don't intervene "where they have no right to."

the fact is that we are a single global community, one which is only going to grow as we move into the future. hence, what happens in libya is in the interest of the rest of the world, and the rest of the world have every right to influence what happens with politics there. i don't think there is anything immoral or unethical about that? particularly when 4 of the world's most just governments are trying to help out the region and the world, by disabling the air force of a clown who has been funding terrorist acts all over europe and the US for 20 years?

it's very easy to criticize the US and allies, but anyone who has traveled outside of north american realizes that despite all of their problems, they truly are one of the most just governments that have ever existed in the world.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Guillermo
i'm sorry, but this isn't 1850. people communicate instantly around the world, and the politics and economies of every country are now intertwined. goods and services produced in one part of the world are consumed in another, and vice versa. thus, i don't understand how people can still have this isolationist view where militaries don't intervene "where they have no right to."

the fact is that we are a single global community, one which is only going to grow as we move into the future. hence, what happens in libya is in the interest of the rest of the world, and the rest of the world have every right to influence what happens with politics there. i don't think there is anything immoral or unethical about that? particularly when 4 of the world's most just governments are trying to help out the region and the world, by disabling the air force of a clown who has been funding terrorist acts all over europe and the US for 20 years?

it's very easy to criticize the US and allies, but anyone who has traveled outside of north american realizes that despite all of their problems, they truly are one of the most just governments that have ever existed in the world.

Just governments?? Are you a fucking idiot?

Did you not notice the whole imperialism theme of the said "just governments"?? Fuck, not only is reason and intelligence lost on you, so is history ,common sense and morality.

Credible Proof of this "clown who has been funding terrorist acts all over europe and the US for 20 years?" or are you just regurgitating Republican war hawk propoganda?

And even if they did, Had Italy and Morroco (with their french backers) committed the genocide and attocities against me, like they did Libya, I may also be inclined to hold a grudge.

[blueToy]

I must admit , I'm surprised at the speed of this event ( As Noam didn't even think it could happen , I bet he was too ) . Leads me to wonder at how and why these 3 countries seem so desperate ? Well, other then the need to liberate Lybia from their oil .
Amazing the outcome from wikileaks eh ? Destabilized several countries from within all in a relatively short timeframe . One could almost surmise that wikileaks wasn't really a leak at all , more like a calculated electronic virus . Clever those Yanks .

Seems to be working too . Long term though ....

[Toma]

And lets not forget the US Bombing of Libyan cities in what? 1986??

The U.S. proceeded to define "aggression" to include "political warfare, or subversion" (by someone else, that is)—what Adlai Stevenson called "internal aggression" while defending JFK’s escalation to a full-scale attack against South Vietnam. When the U.S. bombed Libyan cities in 1986, the official justification was "self defense against future attack." New York Times legal specialist Anthony Lewis praised the Administration for relying "on a legal argument that violence [in this case] is justified as an act of self-defense," under this creative interpretation of Article 51 of the Charter, which would have embarrassed a literate high school student. The U.S. invasion of Panama was defended in the Security Council by Ambassador Thomas Pickering by appeal to Article 51, which, he declared, "provides for the use of armed force to defend a country, to defend our interests and our people," and entitles the U.S. to invade Panama to prevent its "territory from being used as a base for smuggling drugs into the United States." Educated opinion nodded sagely in assent.

Fuck, what a "JUST" government THAT is!?!?!?!

From Chomsky, and "Rogue States"
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199804--.htm

and (remember, this is the bombing of Libya 20+ years ago)

Let's talk about Libya. That's again the same story. Why did we attack Libya? [Chomsky is referring here to the first attack on Libyan ships. The U.S. bombed Libya a few days later--ed.]

Well, Libya plays a very special role in American policy. We regularly attack Libya because it is easy. The Reagan Administration has to maintain war fever. Has to maintain confrontation. And the reasons for that have to do with its domestic policies. The major domestic policies of the Reagan Administration were to effect a substantial transfer of resources from the poor to the rich. To provide a huge state Subsidy to the system of advanced technology.

From The Empire and Ourselves http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19860409.htm

[Guillermo]

Originally posted by Toma


Just governments?? Are you a fucking idiot?

Did you not notice the whole imperialism theme of the said "just governments"?? Fuck, not only is reason and intelligence lost on you, so is history ,common sense and morality.

Credible Proof of this "clown who has been funding terrorist acts all over europe and the US for 20 years?" or are you just regurgitating Republican war hawk propoganda?

And even if they did, Had Italy and Morroco (with their french backers) committed the genocide and attocities against me, like they did Libya, I may also be inclined to hold a grudge.

wow, this got really personal, really fast. you don't even know me, and you're calling me a "fucking idiot?" LOL. i'm not going to get into an fight with you about this, which is what you're clearly looking for, but i would really advise that in the future, you take a minute to listen to and understand the person you're calling a "fucking idiot" over the internet. you have no idea what I think or what i know or what my background is or what my political beliefs are, and yet you're calling me a "Fucking idiot."

[blueToy]

Originally posted by Guillermo
i'm sorry, but this isn't 1850. people communicate instantly around the world, and the politics and economies of every country are now intertwined. goods and services produced in one part of the world are consumed in another, and vice versa. thus, i don't understand how people can still have this isolationist view where militaries don't intervene "where they have no right to."

the fact is that we are a single global community, one which is only going to grow as we move into the future. hence, what happens in libya is in the interest of the rest of the world, and the rest of the world have every right to influence what happens with politics there. i don't think there is anything immoral or unethical about that? particularly when 4 of the world's most just governments are trying to help out the region and the world, by disabling the air force of a clown who has been funding terrorist acts all over europe and the US for 20 years?

it's very easy to criticize the US and allies, but anyone who has traveled outside of north american realizes that despite all of their problems, they truly are one of the most just governments that have ever existed in the world.

Did you even watch the video ? If you did , you wouldn't be waving your American flag around so proudly .

[Toma]

Originally posted by Guillermo


wow, this got really personal, really fast. you don't even know me, and you're calling me a "fucking idiot?" LOL. i'm not going to get into an fight with you about this, which is what you're clearly looking for, but i would really advise that in the future, you take a minute to listen to and understand the person you're calling a "fucking idiot" over the internet. you have no idea what I think or what i know or what my background is or what my political beliefs are, and yet you're calling me a "Fucking idiot."

I asked if you were a fucking idiots based on my UNDERSTANDING, that you are sidestepping FACTS, and regurgitating baseless war hawk propaganda.

So relax, there was thought, reason, and understanding in my post, unlike any of yours.

[Kloubek]

Yeah - this is exactly what we needed. A SECOND thread on Libya for our members to put each other down.

Anyway, from the looks of this poll:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...ion-there.html

Over half of Canadians seems to agree with our current role - though there is a significant amount that oppose it.

I said it before and I'll say it again - I am personally *not* supporting Canadian intervention. While I understand sometimes foreign countries step in with the intention of helping the people of a country, this situation seems way too divided with the Libyan people themselves, and not impacting enough to Canadians for us to be involved.

When international security is at risk, I can see myself supporting a military role from Canada. (WW2, etc.) I think the approach we've had for decades of staying out of things and generally providing a peacekeeping role if anything is one of the things that made Canada highly liked by the world. Not only do I question this mission, but I also question a potential negative light this might throw on Canada as well as the $$ we're spending... even if our intevention is more of a token force than anything.

[Guillermo]

Originally posted by Kloubek
Yeah - this is exactly what we needed. A SECOND thread on Libya for our members to put each other down.

QFT

[Toma]

Originally posted by Kloubek
Y
Anyway, from the looks of this poll:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...ion-there.html

Over half of Canadians seems to agree with our current role

Precisely the issue.

When the news is "Gadddafi supports terrorism", and Gaddafi is murdering innocent civilians....

And the truth is that the "no fly zone to pretect civilains" is really a regime change, bomb the shit out of Libya, and help the rebels in this CIVIL WAR.

Yeah, opinions may be skewed, and uninformed at best.

[googe]

Confused...

libya is not a false flag op, and chomsky didn't say that at all. wtf?

[Toma]

Originally posted by googe
Confused...

libya is not a false flag op, and chomsky didn't say that at all. wtf?

No no, thread title was Libya False Flag AND Chomsky interview.

The articles were about the former, the Video was the latter.

Sorry for the confusion.