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Supercharger VS turbocharger
Need a opinion on this! I realize that the turbo's take time to spool up, and I would like to avoid the lag, but other than that I dont know which is the better road! A few people I have talked to mentioned that some superchargers can put my V6 into the 320+ horsepower range! Is that true?? If it is, can a turbo match that performance??
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I was actually wondering the same thing...exept for my car
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a turbo can match and overpass 320hp if you really want to. Turbos have much more potential than a supercharger.
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Turbos have unlimited potential but that will ultimately cost you more money in the future. They are also higher maintenance and are more prone to problems.
In short, TURBOS ARE ASS! Unless if it is from the factory!
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I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
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sorry, but turbo is way more efficient than supercharger....how are they have higher maintenance?Originally posted by max_boost
Turbos have unlimited potential but that will ultimately cost you more money in the future. They are also higher maintenance and are more prone to problems.
In short, TURBOS ARE ASS! Unless if it is from the factory!
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Where is B18C when you need himlet it idle for a bit before shut down...
prone to problems? lets hear some of them...
what is the difference when you turbo a car or factory turbo cars?
just ask Redline on this subject... he went from super to turbo... why? Kyle please reply to this one!:p
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someone opened a can of WORMS!
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Why isn't Redline driving his car? Did he blow something?Originally posted by Boost Infested
sorry, but turbo is way more efficient than supercharger....how are they have higher maintenance?
prone to problems? lets hear some of them...
what is the difference when you turbo a car or factory turbo cars?
just ask Redline on this subject... he went from super to turbo... why? Kyle please reply to this one!:p
Why did choweyt3/t4 take off his turbo? Did he blow something?
How many CV joints has rage2 broken?
Why did XES car die at the start of the 1/4 a couple weeks back?
Because for the average person who doesn't know much about FI will be better off with a supercharger.
Actually, I don't really know what I am talking about
I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
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all the reasons you listed are due to tuning issues, not because you have a turbo in your car, JR.Originally posted by max_boost
Why isn't Redline driving his car? Did he blow something?
Why did choweyt3/t4 take off his turbo? Did he blow something?
How many CV joints has rage2 broken?
Why did XES car die at the start of the 1/4 a couple weeks back?
Because for the average person who doesn't know much about FI will be better off with a supercharger.
secondly XES broke/rage broke due to power issue, weak factory parts etc, once again has nothing to do with turbocharger.
i dont know much about F1 cars, i still think its better off with turbocharger..........learn as you go my friend, be like water, when you are in a cup you become the cup..LOL
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Last edited by Boost Infested; 09-11-2002 at 01:12 AM.
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Because with a turbo, you have the ability to push the engine a little more... Add more boost by simply adjusting the wastegate and run some high octane fuel. If they had S/C, changed pulleys to get more boost to get closer to the engine's limits, it'll still blow a headgasket =).Originally posted by max_boost
Why isn't Redline driving his car? Did he blow something?
Why did choweyt3/t4 take off his turbo? Did he blow something?
That's cuz we're making so much power with a turbo setup. We're both making well over 400hp at the wheels. If a S/C setup on our cars can make the same amount of power, those items would break too.Originally posted by max_boost
How many CV joints has rage2 broken?
Why did XES car die at the start of the 1/4 a couple weeks back?
In most cases, if you take 2 identical engines, and make one turbo and one with s/c, both with the same peak output, a Supercharged engine will be more stressed. Why? Because it takes more power to drive a supercharger via crank than it does to drive a turbo via exhaust. A turbo system is more complex, therefore it costs more.
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LOL
Thanks for the info man!
You have to attemtp to try to stand up to something!
But like I said previously, I didn't really know what I was talking about. Now that we all have a good laugh, TURBOS ARE STILL ASS!
You might as well buy a factory powered at 400+hp flywheel beause with all the money you put into your turbo cars, you can do it!!
I've been doing Accounting homework for the past 3 hours so I had to argue about something!
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Last edited by max_boost; 09-11-2002 at 01:12 AM.
I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
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How about NOS? Why doesn't anybody want to be fast and furious? I say NOS AND 2 BOTTLES OF IT
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Those are all good points, but, maybe i'm wrong (actually, im PROBABLY wrong), shouldnt a s/c car have the edge over a turbo'd car?? The supercharger starts to lay down power right off the start, whereas most turbos have to wait till the higher rpm's before they kick in. And can any car be twin-turboed?? Or is there a specific requirement for 2 turbos?
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turbo lag really depend on the size of turbo.
i'm not 100% sure but i think there are 3 type's of superchargers, roots, centrifugal, screw... i think. i don't know how these things differ so maybe someone can explain???... lol.
EDIT: found this on a miata website
Roots: positive displacemente units, which means every rev of the blower pumps out a fixed volume of air, regardless of the blower's rpm. Result is that boost comes on early. Most application produce full boost at 2000-2500rpm. Boost can be altered by changing pulley size. Best to underdrive larger unit than to overdrive smaller one. Manufacturers include B&M, Littlefield, Sebring.
Centrifugal: Most popular type for fuel injected engines. Provides airflow proportional to blower rpm, thus full boost comes as high rpm. Manufacturers include Accessible Technologies, B&M, Nelson, Paxton, Vortech.
Twin-screw: positive displacement, similar to roots. differences: uses twin screws instead of lobed rotos to compress air, works best when overdriven. Sample manufacturer: Whipple Industries.
Last edited by 2000impreza; 09-11-2002 at 11:03 AM.
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You have a V6 mustang? Supercharger.
Though I say the best thing to do is upgrade to a 4.6 first and go from there.
Supercharger for a V6 mustang because it'll enhance the good points of your pushrod engine that much more. Also, I don't think anyone even makes a turbo kit for your 3.8L, if they do, where's the aftermarket for turbo upgrades? Supercharger running on light boost is very cheap to install and very reliable for the 3.8L cause there's more aftermarket and well, just more people have done it. Go to stangnet.com and I'm sure you'll get the same response.
Also, if you want to get into the 320 Hp+ range (turbo or supercharger) make sure there's an aftermarket for stronger engine internals as well as stronger well, everything.
2000impreza:
A centrifugal supercharger looks just like a turbo only its run by the engine instead of exhaust. These superchargers are much more similar to turbos due to their design, like they might need blow off valves and they DO have lag, just as turbos do. They also operate at high RPMs, somewhere in the 30,000-50,000 range I believe.
A blower, or roots style charger sits on top of the engine. This is the choice for most pushrod engine owners as it has NO lag whatsovever and enhances the pushrod's low end grund. I believe its not as strong in the higher engine RPM ranges. It typically operates best at around 15,000-20,000 RPM.
There's a lot more to them than just that. I have no idea what a "screw" supercharger is.
Last edited by T5_X; 09-11-2002 at 01:39 PM.
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Originally posted by nookmumracing
How about NOS? Why doesn't anybody want to be fast and furious? I say NOS AND 2 BOTTLES OF IT
pEACE
I am with this dude nnnnnaaaaaaawwwwwwwzzzzzzz
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nope i am staying out of this one, i dont care what anyone does to their car!Originally posted by Boost Infested
just ask Redline on this subject... he went from super to turbo... why? Kyle please reply to this one!:p
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amateurs don't use nitrous oxideOriginally posted by nookmumracing
How about NOS? Why doesn't anybody want to be fast and furious? I say NOS AND 2 BOTTLES OF IT
pEACE
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Werd to that!Originally posted by redline
nope i am staying out of this one, i dont care what anyone does to their car!
If you want an answer that is more specific for your car I would go to a mustang specific site and see what they have to say.
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Yeah i'm checking out the mustang sites too. I just wanted a general opinion on this. So it sounds like a centrifugal supercharger is probably the best route for the 3.8L pushrod engine.
Thx for the info
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