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    What constitutes a physical assault in Toronto these days?



    This would appear to be straightforward. If, for example, one individual punches another, surely that’s assault. Especially if the punch in question was witnessed. And photographed.

    But as I learned firsthand on Sunday, a fist in the face doesn’t necessarily constitute assault in our increasingly culturally sensitive Toronto.

    The details: I was at Yonge-Dundas Square with my nine-year-old son. We ate pizza. We drank bubble tea. And I used my new Canon camera to take photos of this neon shrine.

    Suddenly, a woman wearing a hijab ran toward me. She was part of a group that included two women wearing full face-covering burkas. She was screaming: “We are Muslim! You do not take pictures of us!” (Odd. I can’t find the “no photos” rule in the Qur’an.)

    I informed the lady I was in a public square in a democracy. I can actually take pictures of whomever I please.

    And then: Ka-pow! Her fist collided with my face. Worse, she almost knocked my new camera from my hands.

    My son and I were then surrounded by a mob of about 20 people, many of whom were speaking Arabic. One kept demanding I surrender my camera to him.

    It was surreal. Was I in Toronto — or Riyadh?

    I spotted a group of bicycle-mounted police officers. I burst through the mob with my son and made a beeline towards them. I told a Toronto Police officer what had happened and I wanted to press assault charges.

    Better yet, a man and a woman came forward as eyewitnesses.

    The 50-something couple, originally from Syria, told the police they had observed the entire affair and my allegations were true. The couple said they understood Arabic and knew what the mob was saying.

    Spidey Senses

    Alas, my Spidey Senses started to tingle when I overheard the questions being asked of the witnesses. “Was it a closed-fist punch or an open hand? Was it the front or the back of the hand?”

    Huh? Physical contact had been made. Why did severity matter?

    After the officer took my statement, he went over to the offending woman. Another constable was inexplicably miffed I was (legally) taking photos in the first place. The irony: Just above our heads a Toronto Police Service sphere was videotaping the activities.

    The officer interrogated the woman. She was still hysterical. Good. The constable would encounter firsthand what I had been forced to deal with earlier.

    The cop walked back to me. No charges would be laid, he said, because he believed the woman’s story — namely, she was merely trying to knock the camera out of my hands.

    Got that? Apparently, attempted property damage is OK. If a face gets in the way of a would-be vandalizing fist... hey, accidents happen.

    The Syrian eyewitnesses were speechless. I continued to plead my case.

    Toronto Police cruisers are emblazoned with the slogan, “To serve and protect”. But increasingly, the unofficial slogan seems closer to, “F.I.D.O.” (“Forget It; Drive On.”)

    The fact we have Islamists living amongst us who despise western values isn’t news. But surely you can’t just sock someone in the mouth.

    Well, apparently you can — as long as the intent of the aggressor was merely to inflict property damage.

    World’s upside-down. Just thought you should know.

    -Menzies is a freelance writer in Toronto

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    here is the link
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/02...ndas-smackdown

    what you guys thinks? theres lots of discussion all over the internet about this

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    Also well covered on adler; this is one of his regulars - the menzoid...

    Does it surprise anyone? Especially in toronto?

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    charge the bitch, and if she isnt canadian deport her ass

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    Originally posted by dirtsniffer
    charge the bitch, and if she isnt canadian deport her ass
    i support that motion

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    I think he got off easy. You never know, she could've really blown up.
    Last edited by TeamBestBud; 08-04-2011 at 07:39 PM.

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    Looking forward to the video.

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    Welcome to Toronto....

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    Sucks to be that guy.

    For assault, you have to prove the offenders intent. So if no intent to hurt him, the assault charge is gone.

    And unfortunately, 'attempted property damage' is not a crime. It should be, but it's not. In order for a property damage charge, there must be.... well, damage to the property.

    So technically, there are no charges that would be sustained in court.

    Not saying it's right, just saying how it is.

    The guy really has no legal leg to stand on, and the officers hands were tied. This isn't a case of them 'deciding not to charge', it's a case of our crappy legal system hog tying common sense.
    Just because it happened to you, doesn't make it interesting.

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    why did the lady not allow pictures of muslims?

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    Post their pictures.
    Three of my favourite:


    originally posted by "paulb1320"

    (so tight that my hands went numb in minutes and a have bruises, infact my hands are still numb, 2 hours later)

    I'm going to find each and every one of your little internet friends!

    I now feel like I went into shock. I started breathing heavily and lost my sense of what was going on.

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    Slap her in the face as hard as he can with the back of his hand:
    "I was just trying to knock the burka off her face to identify the perpetrator".
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    Originally posted by bituerbo
    Slap her in the face as hard as he can with the back of his hand:
    "I was just trying to knock the burka off her face to identify the perpetrator".

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    Originally posted by Dilmah
    Post their pictures.


    Taking pics = Looks allowable to me

    Maybe she just has the hots for you OP

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    heh?

    If the police don't press charges what does that mean? Can this man not still hire a lawyer and have charges brought against her?
    TRUTH: it's the new hate speech.
    In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - Orwell

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    Originally posted by TomcoPDR




    Taking pics = Looks allowable to me

    Maybe she just has the hots for you OP
    if i was a white guy in the background and went to punch the dude in white with the camera ...instant racism
    Originally posted by R!zz0
    I would have helped you out but i am 5'6 160 pounds. I have a hard time turning my steering wheel in my car. So I'll shit myself if i carry a 65" plasma.

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    nvm
    Last edited by adidas; 08-04-2011 at 09:17 PM.

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    damn, i clicked this thread hoping it was you who got punched

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    Originally posted by JustGo
    For assault, you have to prove the offenders intent. So if no intent to hurt him, the assault charge is gone.
    If I accidentally punched someone in the head as hard as possible (eg someone who is being an annoying ass to me in a club), is that also a non-assault ?

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    Originally posted by bituerbo
    Slap her in the face as hard as he can with the back of his hand:
    "I was just trying to knock the burka off her face to identify the perpetrator".
    Hah!

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