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    Default Air Canada flight attendants could strike as early as next week

    http://www.thestar.com/business/comp...next-week?bn=1

    Air Canada could face a strike by its 6,800 flight attendants as early as next week after they gave their union an overwhelming strike mandate.

    The Canadian Union of Public Employees said in a news release that 98 per cent voted in favour of a strike, with 78 per cent of those eligible taking part.

    “A strike vote does not mean we will necessarily go on strike, but it means we will strike if we need to. What we want and still hope for is a negotiated deal with the company,” said Jeff Taylor, president of the Air Canada component of CUPE.

    “This is a clear message to Air Canada: our members are determined to get a fair deal,” says Taylor, “No one wants a strike, but if we can’t reach a tentative agreement which addresses our members concerns, and soon, it could be our only choice.”

    The strike vote was called after the flight attendants turned down a tentative deal in late August, echoing a similar rejection by Air Canada’s pilots in the spring.

    The flight attendants could walk off the job as early as 12:01 am next Wednesday, but under federal law the union must first give 72 hours’ notice.

    Although talks are continuing with a federally appointed conciliator, it is unclear whether there is any progress.

    The union has given no hints as to whether it would order a full walkout, launch rotating strikes or other job action.

    However, as CUPE ponders its strategy, it is well aware that when Air Canada’s customer service agents went on strike in June, the federal government warned it would bring in back-to-work legislation, citing a need to protect the fragile economy.

    Hours after the legislation was tabled on the third day of the strike, the union and the airline reached a deal, with the most contentious issue, different pension rules for new hires, sent to an arbitrator.

    Parliament has been on its summer break, but is scheduled to resume next Monday.

    A walkout by flight attendants would be more disruptive than customer service agents, as planes cannot take off without a certain number of flight attendants on board.

    Employees at Air Canada made concessions and sacrifices for a decade during difficult years, and are hoping to reap rewards now that the airline is in the black.

    Air Canada declined to comment about its contingency plans, but the union has filed a grievance with the Canada Industrial Relations Board over the company’s reported training of possible replacement workers.

    So far, three tentative agreements, with the pilots, flight attendants and flight dispatchers, have all been rejected by members.

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    I just dont understand this. If your not happy with where you work then move to another company. So simple. On the flip side Air Canada is one of the worst Air lines out there. Most people will just not care. Another reason why I never fly Air Canada. The few times that I have flown with them because my company paid for it I was not to happy. I actually had better luck with other Airlines like Delta to name one. Delta really surprised me.

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    WTF this shit again?

    fire all of them, hire some hotties

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    Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
    WTF this shit again?

    fire all of them, hire some hotties
    All from Montreal so they can speak both languages.
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    Too bad they won't just run the flights without attendants. I'm fairly confident that no service at all would be vastly superior to the "service" I've received the last few times I flew with Air Canada.

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    Originally posted by BrknFngrs
    Too bad they won't just run the flights without attendants. I'm fairly confident that no service at all would be vastly superior to the "service" I've received the last few times I flew with Air Canada.


    It just seems like all Air Canada workers act like they are forced to be there and seems like they just cant wait to go home. Yet flying others like Delta and west jet the people are welcoming and seem to love their job.

    It doesn't help that Air Canada makes you pay for every little thing.

    Like someone else said, fire them all because im sure there is a lot of good workers out there that would love the job.

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    Default Re: Air Canada flight attendants could strike as early as next week

    Originally posted by snoop101
    I just dont understand this. If your not happy with where you work then move to another company.
    The problem is pension. I'm sure they have DB plan that are too sweet to quit. So even if the job is shit and they are not happy, they just want to get enough years in can get out with DB plan in tact.

    That's why AC is trying to rework the pension plan for everyone and force newbies on DC plan. DC is a lot cheaper and less liable than DB.

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    Default Re: Re: Air Canada flight attendants could strike as early as next week

    Originally posted by Xtrema


    The problem is pension. I'm sure they have DB plan that are too sweet to quit. So even if the job is shit and they are not happy, they just want to get enough years in can get out with DB plan in tact.

    That's why AC is trying to rework the pension plan for everyone and force newbies on DC plan. DC is a lot cheaper and less liable than DB.
    That would make sense. I never worked at a place with a pension, but if they get fired then they would loose the pension or well get it up to the point. So could they not go on a huge firing spree. It really isnt that hard to fire someone. If your not working up to par then start giving out warnings. I guarantee that if a few got fired it would smarten them up really quickly.

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    Originally posted by snoop101




    It just seems like all Air Canada workers act like they are forced to be there and seems like they just cant wait to go home. Yet flying others like Delta and west jet the people are welcoming and seem to love their job.

    It doesn't help that Air Canada makes you pay for every little thing.

    Like someone else said, fire them all because im sure there is a lot of good workers out there that would love the job.
    Are you joking me? American based airlines seem to nickel and dime way more than the Canadian ones (although Air Canada is catching up quickly!)

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    Originally posted by J-D


    Are you joking me? American based airlines seem to nickel and dime way more than the Canadian ones (although Air Canada is catching up quickly!)
    Ya, cause Air Canada totally doesn't offer free movies, an electrical plug-in, a snack/drink, or 1 checked bag for no extra cost compared to West Jet...

    Oh, WAIT A MINUTE

    I fly AC whenever I can, much better flight times and availability then westjet. Customer service? Get me from point a to point b in a timely fashion for the cheapest price. I'm happy.

    I fly both westjet and AC regularily, but AC wins due to what they offer above and beyond westjet.

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    Originally posted by J-D


    Are you joking me? American based airlines seem to nickel and dime way more than the Canadian ones (although Air Canada is catching up quickly!)
    Actually I was surprised too. We flew Delta to Hawaii for our wedding last year and it was great. They hung up my wifes wedding dress in a closet and then when we left they gave us a bottle of wine for our wedding. The flight was from Cali to Kona and was during the day. Everyone still got blankets and pillows for free. Again pretty happy and amazed.

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    Employees at Air Canada made concessions and sacrifices for a decade during difficult years, and are hoping to reap rewards now that the airline is in the black.
    hahaha... in the black. Didn't they just lose $46 million last quarter or something?

    What kind of crack do these F/As smoke?

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    Originally posted by masoncgy


    hahaha... in the black. Didn't they just lose $46 million last quarter or something?

    What kind of crack do these F/As smoke?
    If you review their financial statements, their "income" is very clearly presented in black ink.

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    Air Canada has improved quite a bit over the last few years. Considering Westjet is the same or even more expensive it doesn't make sense to fly Westjet if you fly with any sort of frequency. Aeroplan points, better seats, better in-flight entertainment and usually a choice of more flights. Sorry, but a bubbly gate agent isn't worth giving up those perks.

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    ^ They lost my luggage one too many times for me to want to return.

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    Originally posted by masoncgy
    ^ They lost my luggage one too many times for me to want to return.
    The only time I've had delayed (not lost) luggage was because of a last minute flight change. I was supposed to fly UA from Vegas to Vancouver then AC to Calgary. However a flight cancellation meant I was rebooked to the AC direct flight from Vegas to Calgary, however my luggage (and a few others in a similar situation) didn't make the flight. Of course the others freaked out on AC in Calgary when it was UA's fault for not transferring the luggage fast enough.

    I rarely check bags anymore though.

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    flew 13 hours with AC from frankfurt to calgary just 2 months ago, and i was VERY happy with the service i received. They came by like every 20 min for drinks!! and the food and snacks were also very well distributed, never hungry or thirsty for a moment, enough to keep me happy
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    International over Atlantic > International over Pacific > Domestic.

    That's what service is like on AC for me.

    They are definitely better than BA or any American carriers.

    Originally posted by snoop101


    That would make sense. I never worked at a place with a pension, but if they get fired then they would loose the pension or well get it up to the point. So could they not go on a huge firing spree. It really isnt that hard to fire someone. If your not working up to par then start giving out warnings. I guarantee that if a few got fired it would smarten them up really quickly.
    DB plans are quite the norm up to the 80s. I know quite a few people who worked in big energy firms retired with DBs. Basically you can retire not having to worry about $ at all. If I can retired and get to keep 70-80% of yearly income without working, I would do anything make sure I can cash out on DB.

    Firing based on performance is tough. That means there must be a review process in place and a baseline. Otherwise, you will be facing wrongful dismissal suit. Especially when a large sum of pension is involved, many lawyers will take up these cases.

    That's why when big company fires people, they need to look at evidence of company policy violation (like surfing porn) to justify it. I used to run many reports for managers looking for dirt on their guys to serve them the pink slip. The # of requests always coincide with business's revenue outlook.

    When they fire someone on DB, there is usually a formula for what the payout would be. It will still be a good sum but will never be as good as you retiring with a DB plan.

    So mass firing is very costly as well. Especially not done right.
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    I do like the Multimedia tV's they have, but I cant stand that bad service and they nickle and dime you for everything.

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    Originally posted by snoop101
    I do like the Multimedia tV's they have, but I cant stand that bad service and they nickle and dime you for everything.
    Nickel and dime you compared to which other airlines?

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    Originally posted by KrisYYC


    Nickel and dime you compared to which other airlines?
    Read up a bit. I just wrote a whole story about my wedding. lol

    Im not saying delta is perfect, just compared to AC it was a huge difference.

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