Porsche 991 To Last for 14 Years :O

[schocker]

From autoblog, reports say that the latest generation of 911, the 991 will last for 14 years, with a mid cycle refresh much like the 997 and 997.2. This sounds kind of crazy to me but who knows. At least honda will be impressed
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/27/p...ed-turbo-engi/

The new 991-generation of the Porsche 911 is now upon us, with the Carrera and Carrera S coupes unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show. So what do you think? Because love it or hate it, it'll be around for a while; 14 years, if the latest reports prove accurate.

Also on porsche continuing to use manual transmission
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/23/p...as-long-as-th/

Purists take note: As long as customers ask for it, Porsche will offer the 911 with a manual transmission. This sigh of relief comes from the mouth of the company's CEO Matthias Muller, speaking with Motor Trend editor-in-chief Angus MacKenzie.............
While they were at it, Muller and MacKenzie also confirmed that the new 911 GT3 will remain a manual-only affair, superseding earlier reports and allaying fears that the beloved enthusiasts' favorite would lose a pedal for the clutch in favor of a second automated one.

m10-power, you are out of luck for the meantime.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

That's a long fucking time for one model even with a refresh.

[Neil4Speed]

Damn, they look amazing, including the interior (seems like they have picked pieces from the Panamera)

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by schocker
At least honda will be impressed

But really, I think 911 has been pretty much the same since 1998. Sure there are some cosmetic and tech upgrades along the way but 14 years isn't that long for a Porsche.

And the new 911 looks almost like the one it replaces.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Xtrema
But really, I think 911 has been pretty much the same since 1998. Sure there are some cosmetic and tech upgrades along the way but 14 years isn't that long for a Porsche.

Maybe on the outside it looks the same. Now that I have a 996, I'm starting to realize how different (and better) a 997 is, and why 996's are so cheap yet 997's hold their value much better.

[Cos]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
That's a long fucking time for one model even with a refresh.

Except compared to Lambo standards. What 50 years and 4 V12 cars?

Originally posted by rage2

Maybe on the outside it looks the same. Now that I have a 996, I'm starting to realize how different (and better) a 997 is, and why 996's are so cheap yet 997's hold their value much better.

Care to share the differences? Would be nice to know

[m10-power]

Originally posted by schocker
From autoblog, reports say that the latest generation of 911, the 991 will last for 14 years, with a mid cycle refresh much like the 997 and 997.2. This sounds kind of crazy to me but who knows. At least honda will be impressed
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/27/p...ed-turbo-engi/


Also on porsche continuing to use manual transmission
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/23/p...as-long-as-th/

m10-power, you are out of luck for the meantime.

Lol guess I'll just buy a 997.2 turbo with pdk once the new one comes out for a bargin. I'll still wait and see, when I attended the world road show I asked about pdk and the 997 gt3 to an old school porsche racer/instructor. He said never i guess he was right haha. Seems dumb to me to not even offer it as an option.

I like the 996 interior but hate the arm rest on the door, my elbow was bleeding after the track on saturday...

[max_boost]

Originally posted by m10-power


Lol guess I'll just buy a 997.2 turbo with pdk once the new one comes out for a bargin.

I'd be interested in it too if I can pay <$100k hehe

[m10-power]

Ya that would be the price point for me to be interested, priced one out with the options I wanted and it was $180k canadian.

Guy brought one to the track and his Daughter drove it, also has a 650hp kit so no slouch. She would pull 9-10 car lengths on me on the straight...and i was getting drive on her. Nuts, wouldnt want to try from a standing start, would be ugly. My 996tt has at least 600hp.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by rage2

Maybe on the outside it looks the same. Now that I have a 996, I'm starting to realize how different (and better) a 997 is, and why 996's are so cheap yet 997's hold their value much better.

Yes, please elaborate more. I hope to buy a 996TT in the next couple years, I doubt I can afford a 997.....I want to hear your perspective, I typically trust it.

[clem24]

Originally posted by rage2

Maybe on the outside it looks the same. Now that I have a 996, I'm starting to realize how different (and better) a 997 is, and why 996's are so cheap yet 997's hold their value much better.

The 993 Turbos have also held their value better than the 996's; older 993's are going for more than 996s'...

Back on topic.. Didn't the original 911 last like 25 years LOL

[E36M3]

I was shocked.. if you never drive them back to back, the 996 chassis feels great. The 997 is a huge step forward and is in the same league as an F430 for rigidity. I thought it would be an incremental change, but it is very dramatic.

Originally posted by rage2

Maybe on the outside it looks the same. Now that I have a 996, I'm starting to realize how different (and better) a 997 is, and why 996's are so cheap yet 997's hold their value much better.

[rage2]

The biggest reason why I find the 996 TT boring is the drivetrain. The AWD system is pretty random (Viscous Coupling), and no rear LSD, not even an option. The handling characteristics reminds me a lot of my SLK32 and W210 E55. Good to 9/10ths, then sloppy and unpredictable at the limit, lose tons of speed over the limit.

The 996 AWD system is purely mechanical, so normally, you get a 5/95 power split. When you get rear wheelspin, the ECU will do the "fake" rear LSD by braking the spinning wheel. Once it overcomes that system, it sends power to the front, up to 30/70 power split. On slow speed corners, it understeers heavily (guessing from lots of weight in the back). If you try to push even a little bit, it starts sending power to the front. The fronts pull the car back in line, then goes back to RWD again, which understeers again, and the process repeats, so it "skips" around slow corners. Really annoying.

In winter (haven't experienced it yet), when there's too much wheelspin, the 996 system reverts to RWD mode because the VC can't keep up and overheats. So with traction control off, it never powers the front wheels. I stumbled on this when looking for winter tires:



The 997 Turbo fixes these issues with a rear LSD (can't remember if it's standard or optional), as well as an electronic AWD system. I haven't driven a 997 Turbo hard, so this is all speculative based on people that have driven both when I brought up the complaints.

[E36M3]

The 997 AWD is interesting at the limit. It wasn't a turbo, but in a 4S, everything was very predictable until the weight balance became an issue.. at the very edge, the rear motor can really bite you in the ass. Luckily I didn't spin figuring that out on the ring.

Originally posted by rage2
The biggest reason why I find the 996 TT boring is the drivetrain. The AWD system is pretty random (Viscous Coupling), and no rear LSD, not even an option. The handling characteristics reminds me a lot of my SLK32 and W210 E55. Good to 9/10ths, then sloppy and unpredictable at the limit, lose tons of speed over the limit.

The 996 AWD system is purely mechanical, so normally, you get a 5/95 power split. When you get rear wheelspin, the ECU will do the &quot;fake&quot; rear LSD by braking the spinning wheel. Once it overcomes that system, it sends power to the front, up to 30/70 power split. On slow speed corners, it understeers heavily (guessing from lots of weight in the back). If you try to push even a little bit, it starts sending power to the front. The fronts pull the car back in line, then goes back to RWD again, which understeers again, and the process repeats, so it &quot;skips&quot; around slow corners. Really annoying.

In winter (haven't experienced it yet), when there's too much wheelspin, the 996 system reverts to RWD mode because the VC can't keep up and overheats. So with traction control off, it never powers the front wheels. I stumbled on this when looking for winter tires:



The 997 Turbo fixes these issues with a rear LSD (can't remember if it's standard or optional), as well as an electronic AWD system. I haven't driven a 997 Turbo hard, so this is all speculative based on people that have driven both when I brought up the complaints.

[m10-power]

Lsd in the back on a 996 turbo transforms the car to the point where taking psm off even at the track isnt needed. Without the lsd psm was off all the time when I drove on the street or track.

[rage2]

Since I picked up a Tip 996TT for traffic, I can't get a LSD on her. Nobody makes one for the tip!

[heavyD]

Kind of crazy that kind of money only gets you a very basic AWD system.

[schocker]

Originally posted by rage2
In winter (haven't experienced it yet), when there's too much wheelspin, the 996 system reverts to RWD mode because the VC can't keep up and overheats. So with traction control off, it never powers the front wheels. I stumbled on this when looking for winter tires:

That is odd, I had no idea that was the case with the 996.
Sucks you can't get the LSD.

With the 991 lasting for so many years I should be able to get a 997 C2S in a few years hopefully.

[rage2]

Originally posted by schocker
That is odd, I had no idea that was the case with the 996.

To top it off, the VC dies if you do this often haha. So in winter, don't turn off PSM stability control. Not sure how you would get out if you're stuck in deep snow tho...

[Mibz]

So what you're saying is that you bought the wrong winter car and must immediately sell it at a terrible financial loss?

I'm here for you, friend.