Jumped...or pushed down elevator ??

[fast95pony]

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/24/shaftteen040124

This sounds really fishy to me . ...

Solicitor General's spokesman David Bray said "the door opened unexpectedly or prematurely, we're not sure, and he stepped into the shaft and fell in."

But according to a witness....

A boy who was in a cell next to Kyle Young told Edmonton reporters that two guards grabbed the suspect, who had been complaining about being hungry, by the back of the neck and removed him from the cell.

He said the guards then pushed Young against the wall.

"All we hear is 'bang, bang' and then all of a sudden, 'bang,' like a really loud bang," the 16-year-old boy said.

"Once that big bang went, the metal in my cell vibrated and that's when I stood up. That was pretty loud. If it could make the walls shake in the cell, somebody's hit pretty hard," he said.

Police spokesman Sgt. Chris Hayden wouldn't comment on the alleged scuffle.

[ninjak84]

I remember this story.
There's an investigation going on into what happened, but it's being carried out by the fucking cops themselves. Am I the only one that predicts no officers will be charged?

[/////AMG]

Kinda sad to see this kid 'die', but obviously this investigation isn't fair.

[4G63Power]

The total truth will never be told

[sputnik]

doesnt matter... the kid would have probably just been a burden on society for his entire life... [/devils advocate]

[Blue Devil 2]

Originally posted by sputnik
doesnt matter... the kid would have probably just been a burden on society for his entire life... [/devils advocate]

You don't know that though.

[B17a]

Originally posted by sputnik
doesnt matter... the kid would have probably just been a burden on society for his entire life... [/devils advocate]

Jeez man, that's harsh, even being devil's advocate. He looked like just some skinny kid, probably got in shit for being just that, a stupid kid doing stupid ass kid stuff (that we've all done). Doesn't mean his life would have been useless from that point on. I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt.

[redec]

that's such bullshit...honestly, who here has ever stepped into an elevator without first looking to see where they're stepping?...like wtf?....he notices the doors open, but he doesn't notice the big black gaping hole on the other side of them?....they actually expect people to believe this shit? fucking retarded.

[B17a]

Originally posted by redec
that's such bullshit...honestly, who here has ever stepped into an elevator without first looking to see where they're stepping?...like wtf?....he notices the doors open, but he doesn't notice the big black gaping hole on the other side of them?....they actually expect people to believe this shit? fucking retarded.

Don't be so sure, I actually was on the C-train once, and the doors on the wrong side opened at a stop, and some guy walked out without looking and fell right out of the train onto the road! Quite funny at the time.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by redec
that's such bullshit...honestly, who here has ever stepped into an elevator without first looking to see where they're stepping?...like wtf?....he notices the doors open, but he doesn't notice the big black gaping hole on the other side of them?....they actually expect people to believe this shit? fucking retarded.

its happened before. Hundreds of times.

and i agree with sputnik. usually if your a juvenille you just needa do a shit load of community service. youd hafta do somethin REALLY bad not your usual

stupid kid doing stupid ass kid stuff (that we've all done).

[angierideswitme]

you do one bad thing and you get comunity service, then next time you get caught you get charged, no matter what.

[redec]

Originally posted by B17a


Don't be so sure, I actually was on the C-train once, and the doors on the wrong side opened at a stop, and some guy walked out without looking and fell right out of the train onto the road! Quite funny at the time.

wow...that's unreal...people are stupid I guess :P

[FiveFreshFish]

The guards are completely to blame for this. How can two trained guards not subdue a shackled and handcuffed teen? One good punch to the solar plexus would drop the kid and he'd think twice about resisting. No need to push him down an open elevator shaft.

If the kid bolted for the open shaft himself, then he gets a nomination for the '04 Darwin Awards.

[Khyron]

How many elevators have YOU seen that open onto an empty shaft? That's in the fucking movies - in real life that's one of the biggest safety failures a building can have. And the courthouse just happened to have it happen....

Khyron

[TrevorK]

Originally posted by B17a


Jeez man, that's harsh, even being devil's advocate. He looked like just some skinny kid, probably got in shit for being just that, a stupid kid doing stupid ass kid stuff (that we've all done). Doesn't mean his life would have been useless from that point on. I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt.

He's already been in jail for Assault with a Weapon a couple times and was convicted of "Sexual Touching" (Whatever that means exactly).

A day or two before he attacked a female guard and had to be shot with a Taser to quiet down.

So yes, the guards had a right to treat him "rough". What most likely happened is he started fighting them, and things got a little too far and was pushed through the doors by accident.

Personally, I think the guards did their jobs. I might get flamed, but I think they protected themselves well.

[sputnik]

darwin has been busy these days

[Blue Devil 2]

Originally posted by TrevorK

Personally, I think the guards did their jobs. I might get flamed, but I think they protected themselves well.

He was shackled and in handcuffs, how hard could it be for the guards to protect themselves?

[B17a]

Originally posted by TrevorK


He's already been in jail for Assault with a Weapon a couple times and was convicted of "Sexual Touching" (Whatever that means exactly).

A day or two before he attacked a female guard and had to be shot with a Taser to quiet down.

So yes, the guards had a right to treat him "rough". What most likely happened is he started fighting them, and things got a little too far and was pushed through the doors by accident.

Personally, I think the guards did their jobs. I might get flamed, but I think they protected themselves well.

Sounds like Rodney King Part 2! Although if he did attack them they should be able to put him in place. But one has to wonder how much fighting a skinny shackled 16 year old can cause?

[Talies R]

Originally posted by B17a


Sounds like Rodney King Part 2! Although if he did attack them they should be able to put him in place. But one has to wonder how much fighting a skinny shackled 16 year old can cause?

Exactly.

TrevorK can you post some more of your interesting thoughts on this issue?

[TrevorK]

Originally posted by Blue Devil 2


He was shackled and in handcuffs, how hard could it be for the guards to protect themselves?

Maybe he charged at them running? They moved, he flew down the shaft? There are still ways to attack being shackled, it's not 100% safe.

Did anyone catch the Edm. Journal article - where they interviewed two of his friends who described him as troubled?