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    A judge on Monday ordered a Colorado woman to decrypt her laptop computer so prosecutors can use the files against her in a criminal case.

    The defendant, accused of bank fraud, had unsuccessfully argued that being forced to do so violates the Fifth Amendment's protection against compelled self-incrimination.

    "I conclude that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated by requiring production of the unencrypted contents of the Toshiba Satellite M305 laptop computer," Colorado U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn ruled Monday (.pdf).

    The authorities seized the laptop from defendant Ramona Fricosu in 2010 with a court warrant while investigating financial fraud.

    The case is being closely watched (.pdf) by civil rights groups, as the issue has never been squarely weighed in on by the Supreme Court.

    Full disk encryption is an option built into the latest flavors of Windows, Mac OS and Linux, and well-designed encryption protocols used with a long passphrase can take decades to break, even with massive computing power.

    The government had argued that there was no Fifth Amendment breach, and that it might "require significant resources and may harm the subject computer" if the authorities tried to crack the encryption.

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Patricia Davies said in a court filing (.pdf) that if Judge Blackburn did not rule against the woman, that would amount to "a concession to her and potential criminals (be it in child exploitation, national security, terrorism, financial crimes or drug trafficking cases) that encrypting all inculpatory digital evidence will serve to defeat the efforts of law enforcement officers to obtain such evidence through judicially authorized search warrants, and thus make their prosecution impossible."

    A factually similar dispute involving child pornography ended with a Vermont federal judge ordering the defendant to decrypt the hard drive of his laptop.

    While that case never reached the Supreme Court, it differed from the Fricosu matter because U.S. border agents already knew there was child porn on the computer because they saw it while the computer was running during a 2006 routine stop along the Canadian border.

    The judge in the Colorado case said there was plenty of evidence — a jailhouse recording of the defendant — that the laptop might contain information the authorities were seeking.

    The judge ordered Fricosu to surrender an unencrypted hard drive by February 21. The judge added that the government is precluded "from using Ms. Fricosu's act of production of the unencrypted hard drive against her in any prosecution."
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    This is interesting. People are concerned about her right to not incriminate herself. But really, she is being threatened with contempt of court if she refuses to decrypt her laptop. If the data on her laptop could get her 20 years then why the heck wouldn't she put up with the inconvenience of a minor contempt charge? I find it interesting that the courts can't do anything with encrypted data and the worst she can get is a contempt charge. If I were her, I would say after the stress of being arrested I forgot my password. Oppsie. A contempt charge vs helping them hit you with a conviction for bank fraud is an easy choice.

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    Default Re: Judge Orders woman to decrypt her laptop

    Originally posted by frizzlefry

    This is interesting. People are concerned about her right to not incriminate herself. But really, she is being threatened with contempt of court if she refuses to decrypt her laptop. If the data on her laptop could get her 20 years then why the heck wouldn't she put up with the inconvenience of a minor contempt charge? I find it interesting that the courts can't do anything with encrypted data and the worst she can get is a contempt charge. If I were her, I would say after the stress of being arrested I forgot my password. Oppsie. A contempt charge vs helping them hit you with a conviction for bank fraud is an easy choice.
    I believe in the U.S. a contempt charge can be a continual thing. As in the trial doesn't stop, it's just put on hold until the contempt charge (jailtime) is completed. Then she goes back into court, and is ordered to unlock the computer again... refusing again results in another contempt charge, etc. etc.

    Full disk encryption is an option built into the latest flavors of Windows, Mac OS and Linux, and well-designed encryption protocols used with a long passphrase can take decades to break, even with massive computing power
    I'm no hacker, but seriously, it would probably take any competent one less than a day to crack it.
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    Very interesting. I hope we see an appeal, would like to see what a higher court would rule.

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    Default Re: Re: Judge Orders woman to decrypt her laptop

    Originally posted by Tik-Tok
    I'm no hacker, but seriously, it would probably take any competent one less than a day to crack it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitLocker_Drive_Encryption

    Yes and no. I really doubt governments can attract any competent hackers to work for them. But yes, it isn't impossible but can be very hard.

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    Default Re: Re: Judge Orders woman to decrypt her laptop

    Originally posted by Tik-Tok
    I'm no hacker, but seriously, it would probably take any competent one less than a day to crack it.
    Breaking encryption isn't about skill, it's about time and processing power. Stronger encryption requires more of either/both to be broken and things like PGP and BitLocker are strong. I don't think either has ever been broken.

    There's a comic about this, I'll see if I can find it :P

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    Crazy. Didn't think an unhackable program actually existed.
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    Unhackable isn't really the right term. Maybe "Infeasible to hack" would work better. Hell, there's a puncher's chance that it could be cracked in a couple days, it's just REALLY unlikely.

    WRT the actual case, as above, I'm not really sure what's stopping her from just saying she forgot the password.

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    Default Re: Re: Re: Judge Orders woman to decrypt her laptop

    Originally posted by Mibz
    Breaking encryption isn't about skill, it's about time and processing power. Stronger encryption requires more of either/both to be broken and things like PGP and BitLocker are strong. I don't think either has ever been broken.

    There's a comic about this, I'll see if I can find it :P

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    Reminds me of this one too:


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    Originally posted by Tik-Tok
    Crazy. Didn't think an unhackable program actually existed.
    It doesn't. With the right knowledge, any code can be hacked.

    The coders of the encryption program would be able to crack it with little effort.

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    She should say "I'll start a ticket with IT to get my password".
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    Default Re: Re: Judge Orders woman to decrypt her laptop

    Originally posted by Tik-Tok

    I'm no hacker, but seriously, it would probably take any competent one less than a day to crack it.
    Not really.

    If the passphrase is long enough it could take forever to brute force it.

    Ever character (especially once you added ALL of the ASCII set) added to a passphrase makes it exponentially harder to crack.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength

    Some basic benchmarks have been established for brute force searches in the context of attempting to find keys used in encryption. The problem is not the same since these approaches involve astronomical numbers of trials, but the results are suggestive for password choice. In 1999, an Electronic Frontier Foundation project broke 56-bit DES encryption in less than a day using specially designed hardware.[12]

    In 2002, distributed.net cracked a 64-bit key in 4 years, 9 months, and 23 days.[13] As of October 12, 2011, distributed.net estimates that cracking a 72-bit key using current hardware will take about 45,579 days or 124.8 years.[14] Due to currently understood limitations from fundamental physics, there is no expectation that any digital computer (or combination) will be capable of breaking 256-bit encryption via a brute-force attack.[15] Whether or not quantum computers will be able to do so in practice is still unknown, though theoretical analysis suggests such possibilities.[16]

    As a result, there can be no exact answer to the somewhat different problem of the password strength required to resist brute force attack in practice. NIST recommends 80-bits for the most secure passwords, which can nearly be achieved with a 95-character choice (e.g., the original ASCII character set) with a 12-character random password (12 x 6.5 bits = 78).[5] A 2010 Georgia Tech Research Institute study also recommended a 12-character random password, but as a minimum length requirement.
    Just as a point of reference.

    A 256-bit password only requires about 40 characters as long as you add non-alphanumeric characters into the mix.

    An 80-bit password required 13 characters.

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    Originally posted by Seth1968
    The coders of the encryption program would be able to crack it with little effort.
    Well, not really. Everybody knows how AES, RSA, etc and hashing algorithms work, and anybody can hit up Wikipedia for the answer if they don't, but brute forcing and social engineering are still the only ways (I'm aware of) to overcome them.

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    I don't think they can charge you for contempt of the same offense after serving time. Sounds like double jeopardy.
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    So you decrypt...

    Format C:

    Install Windows ME

    Save 450000 Copies of
    Rick Astleys "Never Gonna Give you Up"

    Return to Prosecutors......
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    Originally posted by Mar
    I don't think they can charge you for contempt of the same offense after serving time. Sounds like double jeopardy.
    It's not the same offense though, you're committing two separate instances of contempt.

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    Originally posted by Nufy
    So you decrypt...

    Format C:

    Install Windows ME

    Save 450000 Copies of
    Rick Astleys "Never Gonna Give you Up"

    Return to Prosecutors......
    Jail for copyright infringement.
    Hilarity.

    I was also wondering if they were going to stand there and make sure she didn't delete anything after putting in the password. I probably would have just rebooted it and hit F11. Return to factory default.
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    The government had argued that there was no Fifth Amendment breach, and that it might "require significant resources and may harm the subject computer" if the authorities tried to crack the encryption.
    Does this refer to the fact that if you guess the password incorrectly too many times it wipes itself out?

    If so, she could just enter it in a few times incorrectly and say whoops! She'd probably be charged with a lesser crime (destroying evidence?).

    Interesting case...
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    If will_e_chill was handed this case, what would he advise his client to do? lol
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    Originally posted by kenny


    Does this refer to the fact that if you guess the password incorrectly too many times it wipes itself out?

    If so, she could just enter it in a few times incorrectly and say whoops! She'd probably be charged with a lesser crime (destroying evidence?).

    Interesting case...
    Depends on what the 'obstruction of justice charge' is vs. her original charges (since the Contempt of Court one appears to be able to be charged over and over again without violating the whole Double Jeopardy thing)
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    I wouldn't gamble with a DP on one of these.

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    Claim you used a difficult password and the stress of the trial has made your forget it.

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