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    Results are starting to come in and unfortunately the 6DII base ISO DR is worse than the original 6D, and even worse than the 1" Sony P&S sensors. It did not receive the same DR increase that even the 80D did, which is odd. From an image quality standpoint you're probably better off with the original if you do any landscape. Looks to me like they are trying to force people into their ultra high margin 5DM4, which is actually pretty clever - just sucks for consumers not looking to spend $4500 body only.

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    To be honest, I'm not surprised. The 6D was originally intended to sway people away from the 5D2's in the used market after the 5D3 release. The inferior camera with a marginally better sensor at a entry level price-point took sales away from their breadwinner series. Canon cannot make the same mistake. The upgrade path for current 6D owners is the 5D4 anyways, not the 6D2.

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    Canon updated the 70-200/2.8 IS II and 70-200/4 IS today.

    After 12 years the 70-200/4 IS gets a much needed refresh. Better IS, slightly heavier, modern coatings, updated optical design, and presumably better optical performance. $1700 CAD.

    If you have been waiting for the 70-200/2.8 IS III on the other hand, after 8 years you get.......new coatings. Exact same IS, optical design, etc. Should be in the neighborhood of $2800 CAD.

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    EOS-R Announced

    30mp full frame mirrorless
    Time to sell the 5dm3


    https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-of...-eos-r-system/

    MELVILLE, N.Y., September 5, 2018 – Canon U.S.A. Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, today announced the next revolution in the company’s long history of innovative and award-winning camera systems, the EOS R system featuring the newly designed RF mount. Recognizing the need to advance optical design, the Company sought to create a versatile and powerful new system that supports all current EF, EF-S, TS-E and MP-E lensesi, and also provides the optical advancements and engineering flexibility to build upon for years to come.


    When Canon set forth to develop a new interchangeable lens camera system, they focused on three core optical principles: high-image quality, high-specification performance, and compact design. Recognizing that optics is the foundation for any camera system, the RF mount was conceived to open new doors in optical design. Canon’s new RF mount features the same size diameter as the EF mount (54mm) and shorter back focus distance. This allows for lenses to sit closer to the sensor (the focal plane) and allowed Canon optical engineers to reimagine lens design utilizing larger rear lens elements to produce an image on the full-frame sensor. This new optical formula has paved the way for higher performing lenses. In addition, the Canon RF mount features a high-speed 12-pin communication system that provides faster and more in-depth communication between the camera and lens over existing Canon mount systems.

    The EOS R system is designed for full, uninhibited compatibility with all existing EF, EF-S, TS-E and MP-E lenses through the use of mount adaptersii. In addition, through the use of the optional Drop-In Filter Mount Adapter or Control Ring Mount Adapter these lenses, in fact, gain functionality.













    “There has never been a time in history in which visual expression has been so prolific. Imaging, both still and video, are the communication mediums of today’s society. Much in the same way we learned to type in the past, today’s youth are skilled in shooting, editing, and visual storytelling in ways that only the masters of each craft were decades ago,” said Kazuto Ogawa, president and chief operating officer, Canon U.S.A., Inc. “Knowing this, we needed to step back and design a system that delivers all the creative expression and functionality today’s youth crave, now and in the years to come.”

    The First in a New System: The EOS R

    The new Canon EOS R full-frame mirrorless camera features a 30.3 megapixel CMOS sensor that is powered by the Company’s latest image processor, DIGIC 8, enabling shooting at up to 8.0 frames per secondiii. The new camera inherits a lot from Canon’s legacy in both EOS and Cinema EOS. Video storytellers can capture stunning 4K UHD video up to 30fps and record in 10-bit 4:2:2 (with an external recorder). The EOS R also comes with the ability to shoot Canon Log, providing 12 stops of dynamic range, minimal loss of detail in shadows and highlighted areas and an increased range of choices when color grading. Users with an existing collection of Canon lenses will be excited to know that all EF and EF-S lens are compatible with the camera. In order to do so, photographers and videographers can choose between using one of three new mount adapters, each uniquely designed to meet the individual needs of the user.

    The new Canon EOS R camera features Dual Pixel CMOS Auto Focus with 5,655 manually selectable AF pointsiv, supporting AF at up to f/11 with a 384 zone (24×16) real-time metering system. With f/1.2 lenses, the camera astonishingly boasts AF sensitivity in low light in as little as EV-6. When using the RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens with the EOS R, the camera can focus in as little as 0.05 seconds with Dual Pixel CMOS AFv, making it the fastest autofocus speed in the worldvi. These features provide photographers and videographers with Canon’s most advanced AF system to date. The EOS R also features a silent shutter setting when shooting in single-shot mode; an important feature for those who need to capture imagery without disrupting the scene. An upcoming free firmware update will enable silent shutter in continuous shooting mode as well.

    “The EOS R system is not just a new camera or a new lens mount, it is a new design that will allow us to produce visual tools that were previously impossible, and allow our customers to tell their stories with greater depth, richness of color, and creative flexibility, in optically stunning ways.” states Kazuto Ogawa

    Thoughts From the First Users

    “I think every camera system has its place and it’s all about having the right tool for the job,” reported acclaimed outdoor photographer and Canon Explorer of Light Jimmy Chin. “The new EOS R system for me in particular is very useful for the kind of shooting that I do in the mountains, where I need to worry about the size and weight. Having the option to use the new RF lenses or the EF lenses is really great.”

    “I was instantly impressed with how quickly the EOS R was able to focus,” remarked celebrated fashion photographer and Canon Explorer of Light Lindsay Adler. “Whether my subject was moving or I was shooting in near-complete darkness, I had no problem getting tack-sharp focus in every shot. It was a relief to know my gear wasn’t going to hold me back from executing my vision, but instead it would really help me to execute this vision.”

    “For us, it’s all about getting the shot no one else can get, and a lot of this has to do with the camera,” says Devin Graham, director and filmmaker behind YouTube’s DevinSuperTramp. “The new EOS R will become one of our main cameras. It has a very small footprint, yet is able to create amazing images. As for the lenses, the new RF 28-70mm F2 has just become one of my all-time favorites. I’ll be bringing it on every project.”

    Conveniently placed just to the right of the EVF, Canon has introduced a new Multi-Function Bar that will allows users to more easily access their customizable settings, such as AF, ISO and White Balance. Users will have the option to either slide or tap the bar to gain access to the settings and adjust on-the-go as they deem necessary depending on each particular shooting situation.

    Answering the demand for enhanced mobile editing of RAW image files, Canon is also announcing a new application, Digital Photo Professional Express (DPP Express). In combination with an updated Canon Camera Connect App, DPP Express enables users to send, view, edit and process CR3 RAW files on their iPadvii. A free download of the app will be available October 2018.

    Additional noteworthy features of the EOS R Camera include:

    RF Mount Compatible with RF Lenses and EF/EF-S Lenses
    Built-in EVF with 3.69 Million Dots, Vari-angle Touchscreen LCD and Dot-matrix LCD Panel
    ISO range of 100-40,000, expandable to 102,400
    USB 3.1 in-camera charging support
    Built-in Bluetooth and Wi-FiŽ providing easy sharing to compatible smart devices and social media sites
    Single UHS-II SD card slot
    CR3(RAW/C-RAW) and Dual Pixel RAW Support
    Dust and weather resistant
    Availability and Pricing

    The Canon EOS R full-frame mirrorless camera is scheduled to be available in October 2018 for an estimated retail price of $2299* for the body only. It will also be sold as a body-and-lens kit with the new RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens for $3399*.

    To learn more about this system, including in-depth educational tutorials, please visit usa.canon.com/eosrsystem.

    About Canon U.S.A., Inc.
    Canon U.S.A., Inc., is a leading provider of consumer, business-to-business, and industrial digital imaging solutions to the United States and to Latin America and the Caribbean markets. With approximately $36 billion in global revenue, its parent company, Canon Inc. (NYSE:CAJ), ranks third overall in U.S. patents granted in 2017† and is one of Fortune Magazine’s World’s Most Admired Companies in 2018. Canon U.S.A. is committed to the highest level of customer satisfaction and loyalty, providing 100 percent U.S.-based service and support for all of the products it distributes in the United States. Canon U.S.A. is dedicated to its Kyosei philosophy of social and environmental responsibility. In 2014, the Canon Americas Headquarters secured LEEDŽ Gold certification, a recognition for the design, construction, operations and maintenance of high-performance green buildings. To keep apprised of the latest news from Canon U.S.A., sign up for the Company’s RSS news feed by visiting www.usa.canon.com/rss and follow us on Twitter @CanonUSA. For media inquiries, please contact [email protected].

    # # #

    †Based on weekly patent counts issued by United States Patent and Trademark Office.

    i When attaching an EF-S lens via any of Canon’s new R-series mount adapters, the new EOS R automatically switches to APS-C crop mode.

    ii When attaching an EF-S lens via any of Canon’s new R-series mount adapters, the new EOS R automatically switches to APS-C crop mode.

    iii Continuous shooting speed may vary depending on the shutter speed, the aperture, the lens being used, the battery charge and various camera settings.

    iv Available AF points may decrease when shooting with AF cropping or in movie mode, or depending on camera settings or lens attached.

    v Based on results of AF speed tests in accordance with CIPA guidelines. Results may vary depending on shooting conditions and lens in use. Relies on internal measurement method.

    Brightness at time of distance measurement: EV12(regular temperature, ISO 100)
    Shooting mode: M
    Lens in use: RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM, with focal distance of 24mm and live-view mode on(with manual shutter button operation
    AF mode: Live single-point AF(central) and AF operation: One-shot AF
    vi Among interchangeable lens digital mirrorless cameras incorporating 35mm full frame equivalent image sensors with phase-difference detection AF on the image plane and contrast detection AF, available in the market as of September 5th, 2018 (Based on Canon’s Research).

    vii Compatible with iPad models utilizing iOS 11 or later and equipped with at least 2GB of onboard RAM—specifically, iPad Pro (all models), iPad (5th generation), iPad (6th generation), iPad mini 4 and iPad Air 2.

    *Availability, prices and specifications are subject to change without notice. Actual prices are set by individual dealers and may vary.

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    Hmm. No IBIS, still has a AA filter.

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    tempting.. EOS-R with 24-105L comes down to almost the same price as A7III with 24-105G.

    28-70 f/2?

    i know my uncle is planning on dumping all his EOS EF gear too to jump to Canon Mirrorless

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    Oh Canon...

    3FPS w/tracking (a Canon Rebel is faster)
    NO IBIS
    1.7x crop video already confirmed to have bad rolling shutter and no 120P (.MOV to boot)
    A single slow SD slot
    Small buffer
    By far the highest price in the category ($3,000)
    Least durable shutter in it's class
    Lowest viewfinder magnification in it's class
    Largest body in it's class

    The 28-70/2 weighs as much as a 70-200/2.8 and has no stabilization for $4,000
    The 50/1.2 is $3,000
    24-105 $1500
    EF Adapter is $260 or $520 with a ND filter

    I think everyone had low expectations, but wow...

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    SD slot is UHS-2 which is the same as in my A73. Yah the lack of a 2nd card slot sucks but I'm not pro so I'm not too worried about it. It's targeted at people that are already in the Canon ecosystem looking at other options. It's basically a cheaper 5dm4 with no mirror. The 5fps AF is bleh though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakalimasu View Post
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    SD slot is UHS-2 which is the same as in my A73. Yah the lack of a 2nd card slot sucks but I'm not pro so I'm not too worried about it. It's targeted at people that are already in the Canon ecosystem looking at other options. It's basically a cheaper 5dm4 with no mirror. The 5fps AF is bleh though.
    UHS-II is slow compared to CFEx or XQD, both of which Canon could have easily used. I am not aware of any UHS II camera memory controllers that can write faster than ~150MB/s and that includes the A9 (the A9 has a massive buffer to pick up the slack but an absurd 50-240sec clear time depending on format). At least if they used CF the cards would be interchangeable with the 5D line and 1 series line, and with the largest body in it's class I suspect it would have fit.

    The second slot is trivial anyway depending on the implementation - what Sony and Canon both do on all their dual slot cameras (including the flagship A9 and 1DX II) is give you one faster slot and one crippled slot, so you can't even use that second slot for things like 4K video in some cases, and you lose out on major camera features if you want to use the second slot as "backup" because everything is reduced to the weakest link.

    It's not really a cheaper 5DM4 other than probably the sensor which is almost certainly based on the aging 5DM4 sensor. At by far the most expensive camera in its intended class, this is a pretty sad attempt. The fact that it costs what it does without IBIS (their biggest mistake IMO) or usable 4K and 3FPS (tracking AF) is a joke - a $300 Rebel shoots faster with full AE/AF, even inside Canon's own lineup. Price should be more like $1699-$1999 given the feature set if we look at the rest of the market. The entire left side of the camera is dedicated to....a giant power button haha.

    DPAF has historically been quite bad compared to decent OSPDAF, and early reports from people paid by Canon to review the camera are saying the AF is a disappointment, so it doesn't seem like they managed to improve that area up to industry standard.

    You're absolutely right about one thing though, that Canon is counting on people too invested in their ecosystem to buy something else - that is literally their business model. It's hard to imagine many new buyers or people considering other options picking this camera over something like a Sony A7 III which is better at everything, costs a lot less money, and has a fully established native lens system in place already.

    The Fuji X-T3 is looking pretty awesome though (Blackout-free 20fps (30fps w/crop, still bkackout-free), entire sensor OSPDAF, 4K/60P 200/400Mbps H265, X-H1 viewfinder w/100FPS refresh), and they lowered the price!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakalimasu View Post
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    It's basically a cheaper 5dm4 with no mirror. The 5fps AF is bleh though.
    I think 6D II is a better comparison and we know how well received that was.

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