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this!!!Originally posted by Disoblige
Does that bimbo have 4 weeks+ vacation, paid sick days, bonuses, regular raises, have very flexible hours, excellent benefits, company $$$ contributions, company shares, great opportunities to advance up, and the time to sit here to post this as well?
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You sir, are a moron.Originally posted by 04Terminator
yes. trades require no where near the brains, dedication, financial commitment and education that a university grad does.
plus, most of them are on the job training based with very little class time.
the guy that painted my car made 120k last year at his hourly body shop job....and couldn't pass a grade 10 math quiz.
this province undervalues education, and overvalues grunts.
As stated by others, you go try and work with Dave or Bob for example. Keep up and try to deliever a product like they do.
Come up north, south, east or west and get on a rig, see how long you can handle the work that has to be done.
Come join me on the site on work on, I'll put you to work with a bunch of uneducated grunts. See if you can stick with it.
Or the numerous other positions that are available since there is a shortage of trades currently.
That's a very good way to look at things. Definitely puts it in a different perspective for me, and I'm one of those "uneducated grunts".Originally posted by bspot
Someone has to do the real work out there.
If I was upset enough about "grunts" making too much money, I would just quit my job and be a "grunt" and roll around in my pile of money.
That's how supply and demand work, there aren't many people that want to do those jobs compared to how many jobs there are, so they get paid.
I'm glad rig workers make a ton. That job is tough, dangerous, and it sucks.
It's pretty cushy sitting in an office all week and having evenings and weekends to myself. I'm willing to make less than a rig worker and put some time in at school to have those perks.
It's all about what you enjoy doing and what you can get paid for. Personally, I like to work more hands on, therefore trades were easier for me to enjoy. Do I think I'm able to go through university and work in an office environment? Definitely, did I want to when I was leaving high school? I'm a tradesman, so I guess that answers itself. However, I do consider going back to school so I can pursue a different career, that my trades history will only help me if I did go that route.
As for staying on topic. OP, personally I would choose the company that fits you best. The best working environment, somewhere that will afford you the best experience and gathering the experience that will benefit you much more then a little more money now.
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I do agree that there is a bias against education in Alberta, and this about sums it up.Originally posted by Disoblige
Much better than having these pompous fresh of the line engineers paid lavishly when they know pretty much nothing in the real working world............
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an education is valuable because it exposes you to different ways of thinking, opens doors of opportunity, and gives you a choice in how you want to spend your career. Personally, I value education because my father worked (quite successfully) in the trades, but always taught me to work hard in math and science so that I could pick what I wanted to do, instead of having to default to construction which is our family profession for several generations.
but that doesn't mean you can't make a good living in the trades.
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I think that is the case with a lot of people. I know I sometimes think about quitting and getting a trade like electrical or welding.
But then I remember how much I enjoyed working in the rain and snow.
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Working as an engineer, I've seen it time and time again. Lots of new grads coming out with very respectable offers but act like they are entitled to more. It's quite sad.Originally posted by Toma
I do agree that there is a bias against education in Alberta, and this about sums it up.
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Well said man. Sometimes I wish I was in the corporate world.Originally posted by Disoblige
Does that bimbo have 4 weeks+ vacation, paid sick days, bonuses, regular raises, have very flexible hours, excellent benefits, company $$$ contributions, company shares, great opportunities to advance up, and the time to sit here to post this as well?
I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
Then you remember that you drive a 911 Turbo and get free chinese food every day.Originally posted by max_boost
Well said man. Sometimes I wish I was in the corporate world.
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Yeah, you're the rage2 in your familyOriginally posted by Mibz
Then you remember that you drive a 911 Turbo and get free chinese food every day.
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how do you define what is a respectable offer and what is not? if everyone else coming out of school is making $90k then $65k would not be a decent offer.Originally posted by Disoblige
Working as an engineer, I've seen it time and time again. Lots of new grads coming out with very respectable offers but act like they are entitled to more. It's quite sad.
these days companies are willing to pay a lot more for a newgrad than they were 3-4 years ago, so the grads have every right to expect more. salaries are competitive; so if most of the competition is getting $XX then ofcourse people will feel entitled to get the same.
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sure, ask for more when you're a new grad, but sure as shit, you will be the first one to be let go if the market goes to shit again.Originally posted by turbotrip
how do you define what is a respectable offer and what is not? if everyone else coming out of school is making $90k then $65k would not be a decent offer.
these days companies are willing to pay a lot more for a newgrad than they were 3-4 years ago, so the grads have every right to expect more. salaries are competitive; so if most of the competition is getting $XX then ofcourse people will feel entitled to get the same.
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no way man, still peanuts compared to mid management. as long as your good you'll stay
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No need for this discussion.
Visit apegga.org or apega.org and goto salary survey. All the answers to your questions can be found there.
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Guys, we have to wait for Mar to post in here. He seems pretty savvy about stuff and is probably the best one to ask.
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Apegga is already outdated for the year though. Market is in an upswing and everyone is starting to get more than apegga states. Plus he's just asking beyond which I do believe contains quite a few E.I.T's
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QFT A nice way of putting it is that you pay for a blank canvas.Originally posted by Disoblige
Most new grad engineers I know don't even deserve 50-75% of the salary they are getting.
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"grunts"(not my name so don't bash) are definitely overpaid in Alberta because of the huge labor shortages. They have no real skills...just there to be plugs and get the job done.
A usual statement from one of my friends working on rigs...."ya'll think yer can do what I done do as a RIGGA!? You office sissys"
My usual reply is...yes...if I spent 4 years of my life doing a shitty as job and wrecking my body...yes I do think I could do what you can do. Instead by the time we are both 30 I will be making multiples of your salary and have an awesome life instead of working 80 hours a week in mud or -30.
Seems to be the old age argument of white collar vs. blue collar. I would also like to note that just because you didn't get a degree doesn't mean you are always going to be a "grunt" like some people think.
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That has got to be (one of) the most ignorant statements I've read on this forumOriginally posted by 04Terminator
yes. trades require no where near the brains, dedication, financial commitment and education that a university grad does.
plus, most of them are on the job training based with very little class time.
the guy that painted my car made 120k last year at his hourly body shop job....and couldn't pass a grade 10 math quiz.
this province undervalues education, and overvalues grunts.
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What are your thoughts on this:
EE 1 yr at this company (first job out of university)
Working as a process control engineer for a chemical plant in which I have been designing all the control logic for, setting up the control system, programming it, commissioning it, and producing the as builts. And i have to train operators on the system and teach them how the plant runs and I have to operate the plant since they won't hire more than 2 operators. Oh and I'm doing the instrumentation for the plant. (I'm the only process control engineer here ... I have no mentor either which is fucked up)
I get 63k/yr salary and 'up to' 8% bonus if I meet all my personal performance target, none of which are achievable because they are set unrealistically (had to have the entire plant commissioned and running before it was even finished being built...) Salaried / no OT / I get 'banked time off' but they won't even give me a day off ever it seems...
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