Calgary Flames MEGA THREAD 2012-2013 Edition

[asp integra]

Originally posted by beyond_ban
Calgary's blow just wasn't up to his standards

this hahah, although him and dion seemed to be enjoying themselves in the days of the old cowboy haha

[spikerS]

lol, lou? bryz? we have a couple of really good options, and not just these 2. I like our chances here.

[vengie]

Originally posted by spikers
lol, lou? bryz? we have a couple of really good options, and not just these 2. I like our chances here.

Not to mention a fair amount of Cap space. Should be some big names available this summer with the lower salary cap. I wonder how it'll play out!

[asp integra]

ramo/ortio ready to go?

[flipstah]

We got UFA's Timmy Thomas, Theodore, Chris Mason, Garon, Labarbera, Emery... The world's your oyster!

[sputnik]

Originally posted by flipstah
We got UFA's Timmy Thomas, Theodore, Chris Mason, Garon, Labarbera, Emery... The world's your oyster!

Thomas - Sketchy to say the least. However politically might like Alberta
Theodore - Possibly still broken
Mason - As a starter? Uh no.
Garon - Looked decent last year. I suspect TB will re-sign him.
Labarbera - Really? A backup goalie in his mid-30s?
Emery - He won't be leaving the Hawks after going 17-1 this year.

At the end of the day I think the Flames are just going to have to bite the bullet and accept that the next couple years are going to be for rebuilding from the ground up.

That means young goalies, young top prospects, short term contract older players and a couple losing seasons. Trying to build a winning team with cheap players over the age of 30 and waiver signings doesn't exactly seem like a good strategy to me given their current state.

Consider the Pens from 2002-2006. I think the Flames are in the same place right now.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by sputnik


Thomas - Sketchy to say the least. However politically might like Alberta
Theodore - Possibly still broken
Mason - As a starter? Uh no.
Garon - Looked decent last year. I suspect TB will re-sign him.
Labarbera - Really? A backup goalie in his mid-30s?
Emery - He won't be leaving the Hawks after going 17-1 this year.

At the end of the day I think the Flames are just going to have to bite the bullet and accept that the next couple years are going to be for rebuilding from the ground up.

That means young goalies, young top prospects, short term contract older players and a couple losing seasons. Trying to build a winning team with cheap players over the age of 30 and waiver signings doesn't exactly seem like a good strategy to me given their current state.

Consider the Pens from 2002-2006. I think the Flames are in the same place right now.

What he said. Build a dynasty and work your way up again. Also, age shouldn't play a big factor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1%C5%A1_Vokoun

[sputnik]

Originally posted by flipstah


What he said. Build a dynasty and work your way up again. Also, age shouldn't play a big factor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1%C5%A1_Vokoun

Age definitely plays a factor. Especially in terms of the average age of the team.

While some veterans are needed to mentor the younger players, you shouldn't be expected to be able to build a solid top line where all of the players are over 30. The good players that are over 30 are sticking with their respective teams or will be WAY overpriced on the free-agent/trade market. However with a lower salary cap the FA/trade market should be kind of interesting this year.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by sputnik


Age definitely plays a factor. Especially in terms of the average age of the team.

While some veterans are needed to mentor the younger players, you shouldn't be expected to be able to build a solid top line where all of the players are over 30. The good players that are over 30 are sticking with their respective teams or will be WAY overpriced on the free-agent/trade market. However with a lower salary cap the FA/trade market should be kind of interesting this year.

ummm, are you forgetting Detroit though the mid 00's?

I swear, their average ages were 34+ and they were winning cups!

[spikerS]

Originally posted by spikers


ummm, are you forgetting Detroit though the mid 00's?

I swear, their average ages were 34+ and they were winning cups!

*edit* sorry, average age of the 01-02 Red Wings was 30, but still relevant.

there was 2 or 3 players age 40+

[mr2mike]

Chelios single handedly upped the average age there by 10 years. haha.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by spikers
ummm, are you forgetting Detroit though the mid 00's?

I swear, their average ages were 34+ and they were winning cups!

I got curious.

Year: AvgAge - Finish (Cup winner: AvgAge)

2002: 30.85 - Won the Cup
2003: 30.44 - Swept in 1st round (NJD: 29.14)
2004: 30.97 - Lost in 2nd round (TBL: 27.92)
2006: 31.76 - Lost in 1st round (CAR: 28.39)
2007: 29.97 - Lost in 3rd round (ANA: 28.19)
2008: 30.46 - Won the Cup
2009: 31.04 - Lost in Finals (PIT: 28.09)
2010: 30.67 - Lost in 2nd round (CHI: 26.89)
2011: 30.81 - Lost in 2nd round (BOS: 27.68)
2012: 29.62 - Lost in 1st round (LAK: 26.97)
2013: 28.21 - Lost in 2nd round (CHI: 27.85)

[sputnik]

Originally posted by spikers
*edit* sorry, average age of the 01-02 Red Wings was 30, but still relevant.

There is a difference in HAVING a team with 30 year olds versus building a team with available 30 year olds.

Look at the 01/02 roster for the Red Wings. Most of their older players had been with the team for several years, if not nearly their entire career. These are players that were developed by the organization from their teens and early 20s.

- Lidstrom
- Yzerman
- Fedorov
- Larionov
- Holmstrom
- Draper

Then add in a couple more veterans like Hull, Chelios, Shanahan and Robitaille along with rookie Datsyuk and you will get a SOLID team.

The other thing you have to realize is that they won two cups in the 90s without the FA/traded veterans like Hull, Robitaille and Chelios.

Originally posted by spikers
there was 2 or 3 players age 40+

Larionov was the only one that was 40.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by sputnik
Look at the 01/02 roster for the Red Wings. Most of their older players had been with the team for several years, if not nearly their entire career. These are players that were developed by the organization from their teens and early 20s.

This is a very important thing to note about the Red Wings organization.

Take a look at their current roster. VERY FEW players have come from other NHL teams. Most were drafted by the Red Wings.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000342013.html

This didn't come quick for the Red Wings. Between 1967 and 1990 they only made the play-offs 7 times and beyond round one 3 times.

The management shared between Scotty Bowman and Ken Holland have a LOT to do with this. It helps when your GM (Ken Holland) was one of the top scouts in the NHL.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by sputnik


Larionov was the only one that was 40.

Larionov was 41.
Chelios was 40

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/DET/2002.html

[Vmack]

Just made a trade. Tanguay and sarich for David Jones and she O'Brian from the avs

[JLau]

I like the trade, more size and youth

[JLau]

I have a feeling the flames are gonna go after vinny

[Neil4Speed]

Originally posted by JLau
I have a feeling the flames are gonna go after vinny

Replace Tangs with Vinny... I'd be okay with that.

[max_boost]

Oh please no, do we really need Vinny??? lol Too bad it wasn't ROR coming back from the Avs