Car & Driver Lightning Lap: Camaro 1LE and ZL1...

[That.Guy.S30]

New year.. New reading problems lol.

[georgemagana]

And the difference between the MR than ran 3.13 and the SE than ran 3.10 is most likely the way better factory tune 2011+ evos have plus maybe a different driver.

[benyl]

Originally posted by rage2
GTR and M3 were last year only. The GTR ran a 2:53.2, and the M3 3:05.4. Modern BMW's suck for laptimes now.

The C63 BS and the ZL1 are damn close in every comparo. The ZL1 gives up a little in handling, but has more power. On a more technical track, the C63 BS is slightly faster. Motor Trend's best drivers car had the C63 BS slightly ahead (1:38.9 vs 1:39.2) at Laguna Seca. Still, very impressive considering 1/2 the pricetag.

Damn, time to redneck it up and get a ZL1

[rage2]

I'd like to try a ZL1 to see what it's all about. I don't really care about laptimes anymore, especially since we don't have a track, I value how fun a car is to drive.

[A2VR6]

Apparently C&D made this note about the 1LE:

"Remove the one regrettable slip-up (poorly timed 3-2 downshift) and add a fresh set of Goodyears, and you have a sub-three-minute care for the low, low price of $37,390."

Apparently the driver thinks they lost 1-2 seconds with that mistake... That would basically put it faster than a Mustang that weighs about the same but has 230 more hp than the Camaro.

[LOLzilla]

For those that don't know what the 1LE is (I had to search) it's Chevy's answer to the Mustang Boss which is going out of production.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...le_first_test/

Looks really nice.

[95teetee]

Originally posted by LOLzilla


Looks really nice.

I guess the link I saw had the wrong pictures.

[herragge]

Honestly was not familiar with the 1LE but the performance figures are quite amazing. I'm very surprised and impressed actually. The Boss 302 was startling for me, this even more so. That is a high value vehicle, you're getting alot for your money.

But agreed. Not the best looking thing.

[corsvette]

The colour and black wheels do nothing for that car. Other than that I think the camaro is a cool looking car, especially the convertible.

[Redlined_8000]

That 458 time is really fast. Must be a really good track for that car... I know for sure on other tracks the GTR can beat it.

[Anomaly]

Originally posted by LOLzilla
For those that don't know what the 1LE is (I had to search) it's Chevy's answer to the Mustang Boss which is going out of production.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...le_first_test/

Looks really nice.

Yep, FWIW The 1LE option was available in 88-92 camaro's for use in factory racing (like the players challenge series)...it's the rarest, most sought after camaro of that body style.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
That 458 time is really fast. Must be a really good track for that car... I know for sure on other tracks that homely Nissan supercar may be able to beat it.

Fixed your post.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
That 458 time is really fast. Must be a really good track for that car... I know for sure on other tracks the GTR can beat it.

http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

[schocker]

Originally posted by rage2

http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

It is like they have only been called out once as other people still want to drive their cars

[heavyD]

Originally posted by schocker

It is like they have only been called out once as other people still want to drive their cars

Ferrari is untouchable. The name alone ensures that they will always be amongst the most desirable cars in the world. One fringe journalist's blog isn't going to change almost 100 years of tradition.

[Gripenfelter]

Originally posted by rage2

http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

Nissan did this as well with their GTR.

[Orbie]

Originally posted by Gripenfelter


Nissan did this as well with their GTR.

Are you just referring to the whole Nurburgring "cut slicks" issue with the original 09 posted times?

I really don't think Nissan or many other carmakers make you:
- Call up the factory to pre-authorize any magazine tests
- Bring a straight line car and track car for every authorized magazine test involving both
- Bring a technician team to every track to "tune" the car for that track ahead of every comparo
- Because of said tuning, inflate magazine performance results to levels unachievable by private customer cars

In fact, for the GTR, private customer cars have not only matched but surpassed magazine tested results stock, especially in the 12 and 13 models.

The only other car where I've really heard of this type of consistent behavior as what's mentioned in the Ferrari article is whenever a Viper ACR is tested. But it's only the tech team and tuning per track that takes place. And as a true track car, buyers would expect to generally do the same thing when racing it, so I'm not really surprised by that vs. Ferrari's which are more designed for general use.

[schocker]

Originally posted by heavyD


Ferrari is untouchable. The name alone ensures that they will always be amongst the most desirable cars in the world. One fringe journalist's blog isn't going to change almost 100 years of tradition.

I agree but I wouldn't call Chris Harris a fringe journalist. He is pretty popular and his reviews/videos are all pretty good imo.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by rage2

http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

Ya that 458 time is even almost 2 seconds faster than a LP-570 Superleggara..... Which is crazy lol. Thats stupid...

Oh well I still love the high revving NA power of a Ferrari

[gpomp]

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