Idle No More protests target bridges, roads across Canada

[rx7_turbo2]

Nenshi is a dope. Not surprised by his comments one bit, anything that inconveniences motorists Nenshi is all for, he's proved that in the past. He should be as ashamed as CPS. All this situation proved is how easy it is to take control of major pieces of infrastructure in this city. Sadly.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by SKR


If you're still fucking around making arrowheads out of stone, living in tents, and travelling everywhere on foot because you haven't figured out the wheel, maybe you deserve to have your shit taken from you. On one continent you have people like Michelangelo, Shakespeare and Galileo. On the other, you have a bunch of shitheads that haven't figured out a pair of pants, drawing shitty finger paintings of stick figures on a rock, praying every night to some dopey god that the fireball in the sky comes back. You fucked up. Sorry about your luck.

[sabad66]

Originally posted by btimbit


Nenshi was happy there were no arrests
I wanted to see arrests...

Where's the blind part come in?

Because it's a peaceful protest. I hate this movement as much as the next guy and would have also loved to see some shit go down, but do you really think the mayor of one of the biggest cities in the first world is getting away with going apeshit and asking the police to arrest protesters with such a sensitive issue at hand? good luck with that.

[Type_S1]

Originally posted by SKR


If you're still fucking around making arrowheads out of stone, living in tents, and travelling everywhere on foot because you haven't figured out the wheel, maybe you deserve to have your shit taken from you. On one continent you have people like Michelangelo, Shakespeare and Galileo. On the other, you have a bunch of shitheads that haven't figured out a pair of pants, drawing shitty finger paintings of stick figures on a rock, praying every night to some dopey god that the fireball in the sky comes back. You fucked up. Sorry about your luck.

You sir are a hero!

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by sabad66

Because it's a peaceful protest.

So a "peaceful" protest can include pissing off a lot of innocent people by hindering their movements?

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by sabad66

Because it's a peaceful protest. I hate this movement as much as the next guy and would have also loved to see some shit go down, but do you really think the mayor of one of the biggest cities in the first world is getting away with going apeshit and asking the police to arrest protesters with such a sensitive issue at hand? good luck with that.

This wasn't a protest in a park, or on the steps of City Hall. It shut down a major piece of The City's infrastructure, that's a big deal, a super big deal in my eyes. An extremely loud message should have been sent that day, sensitive issue or not.

By dancing around the issue, and treating this group differently than you would another you only make the situation more sensitive, and fuel the backlash.

[whydontchathen]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2

I just can't wrap my head around that argument. I struggle whenever it comes up. "They were here first" and that means what exactly lol? Could you imagine if the World actually worked that way? "Finders keepers" . Talk about an unintelligent argument!

Originally posted by Seth1968

This.

Take such kindergarten logic to the fullest extent:

Those that were here third, should financially support those that were here second. Those that were here fourth, should financially support those...well, you get the idea.

ummm no, that's not how I interpret the Indians' preemptive rights to the continent of North America. By 1st world standards land is owned, right? Well, since the Indians were in North America looooong before the Europeans, then I submit that the Indians owned the land before we did. So it was theirs.


unintelligent argument? really? Well okay, if you want to go to the heart of the argument, treaties were made with the Indians sporadically throughout the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, and then they were broken. The making of treaties by the Europeans with the Indians indicates that Europeans did firstly recognize the Indians' claim to the land. And then they just stomped all over them.

Now if you want to bring up compensatory payments to the Indians, the money that the Indians receive from the Canadian Government now ties back to the treaties that were made between the nations. Just because they were made over a century ago, ppl tend to forget that.

Just bcz all of that happened a long long time ago, present day society dismisses it all as no longer relevant, not important in this day and age. But these were still crimes against the Indian nations, no matter how long ago.

And btw, no, I don't have a single drop of Indian blood in my ancestry.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by sabad66

Because it's a peaceful protest. I hate this movement as much as the next guy and would have also loved to see some shit go down, but do you really think the mayor of one of the biggest cities in the first world is getting away with going apeshit and asking the police to arrest protesters with such a sensitive issue at hand? good luck with that.

It WAS a peaceful protest until they blocked the bridge, that's illegal, but was allowed anyway

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


This wasn't a protest in a park, or on the steps of City Hall. It shut down a major piece of The City's infrastructure, that's a big deal, a super big deal in my eyes. An extremely loud message should have been sent that day, sensitive issue or not.

By dancing around the issue, and treating this group differently than you would another you only make the situation more sensitive, and fuel the backlash.

This. At that point, whatever the hell they're protesting should take a back seat, and they should be moved. You can't just go and block roads because you disagree with something

It's also a double standard, like other people have said, if we went and blocked all access to the grey eagle casino, people wouldn't stand for it. If I wanted to protest, for example, that natives don't have to pay taxes and I wanted to do it by blocking Deerfoot Trail, you bet your ass CPS would be hauling my ass away from there.

[sabad66]

I see your point (believe me - i was caught on the transcanada for an extra hour and a half a few weeks ago because of these dickwads - made me miss the first half of my football game), but i just don't see how can people be mad at nenshi for this? native issues are just too complex and sensitive to fuck around with.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by sabad66
I see your point (believe me - i was caught on the transcanada for an extra hour and a half a few weeks ago because of these dickwads - made me miss the first half of my football game), but i just don't see how can people be mad at nenshi for this? native issues are just too complex and sensitive to fuck around with.

I just don't like the way he handled it is all, because he didn't do anything and supported the CPS just sitting there and waiting rather than clearing the bridge.
But I DO like how he made a point to say that whatever the protesters issues are, have to do with the federal government and not Calgary. Will the protesters listen? Probably not, after all, they demanded to meet with Nenshi when he wasn't even in town

[sillysod]

Originally posted by whydontchathen




ummm no, that's not how I interpret the Indians' preemptive rights to the continent of North America. By 1st world standards land is owned, right? Well, since the Indians were in North America looooong before the Europeans, then I submit that the Indians owned the land before we did. So it was theirs.


unintelligent argument? really? Well okay, if you want to go to the heart of the argument, treaties were made with the Indians sporadically throughout the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, and then they were broken. The making of treaties by the Europeans with the Indians indicates that Europeans did firstly recognize the Indians' claim to the land. And then they just stomped all over them.

Now if you want to bring up compensatory payments to the Indians, the money that the Indians receive from the Canadian Government now ties back to the treaties that were made between the nations. Just because they were made over a century ago, ppl tend to forget that.

Just bcz all of that happened a long long time ago, present day society dismisses it all as no longer relevant, not important in this day and age. But these were still crimes against the Indian nations, no matter how long ago.

And btw, no, I don't have a single drop of Indian blood in my ancestry.

The middle east is pretty screwed up as is, but even the jews and palestinians know that if they rolled into the UN with "but I was here first" arguments they would all get laughed out.

Lygos
to
Byzantium
to
Augusta Antonina
to
New Rome
to
Constantinople
to
Kostantiniyye
to now
Istanbul

Greeks, Romans, Byzantines and Ottomans all died over that dirt.

The world evolves and it's people dissapear with the civilizations that conquored that city through time. it's how the world has worked for millenia..

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by whydontchathen

unintelligent argument? really? Well okay, if you want to go to the heart of the argument, treaties were made with the Indians sporadically throughout the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, and then they were broken. The making of treaties by the Europeans with the Indians indicates that Europeans did firstly recognize the Indians' claim to the land. And then they just stomped all over them.

Now if you want to bring up compensatory payments to the Indians, the money that the Indians receive from the Canadian Government now ties back to the treaties that were made between the nations. Just because they were made over a century ago, ppl tend to forget that.

Just bcz all of that happened a long long time ago, present day society dismisses it all as no longer relevant, not important in this day and age. But these were still crimes against the Indian nations, no matter how long ago.

And btw, no, I don't have a single drop of Indian blood in my ancestry.

Right and all of that was a COLOSSAL mistake that needs correcting, it did nothing but bring us to this point right now, massive unemployment, massive substance abuse, and massive corruption. Enough is enough. It was mentioned earlier in the thread but how long can this go on? I'll quote codetrap "Should Athens still have to make regular payments to Sparta as per the "Treaty of the Thirty Years Peace", signed in 445 BC? Yeah, didn't think so...."

At some point it must end, and now is as good a time as any!

[Matty_10]

Pay outs are still happening to this day some just because they were taken off treaty land and put in public schools 100,000 payouts and all that adds up to is more funding needed for the Methadone program along with brand new vehicle being trashed within a year, and for those of you who haven't take a drive through a reserve one of these days. I've seen first hand hiw corrupt spending is you can tell who's on counsel and who is not brand new cars houses toys you name it.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Matty_10
Pay outs are still happening to this day some just because they were taken off treaty land and put in public schools 100,000 payouts and all that adds up to is more funding needed for the Methadone program along with brand new vehicle being trashed within a year, and for those of you who haven't take a drive through a reserve one of these days.

You want a real eye opener? Take a flight over one in a small plane. It's incredible, nothing but trash everywhere, burnt out homes, burnt out cars. All this talk about the land, tough to take any of it seriously when you see what they do with it.

That's the most ironic part. They're upset at Harper in part because of his recent decisions regarding the environment, but you look at how they treat their own "precious' land, it's a disgrace.

[frizzlefry]

A good friend of mine volunteered with an animal welfare organization that goes onto reserves and spays/neuters their cats and dogs for free to try and control the pet population. During their year of volunteering they:

Had a gun fired in the air to make them leave (it worked)
Had numerous cars vandalized
30+ thefts of personal items
Threats

My friend noticed the garbage everywhere, destroyed vehicles, open pollution etc etc. But the biggest take away I got was based on the old adage that you can judge a people by how they care for their animals. There were so many animals that had unhealed wounds, broken limbs, malnutrition and starvation. Puppies abandoned in burning tire piles. The vets that were there were prepared to spay and neuter pets. They had to perform dozens of emergency surgeries on dogs and cats (that’s dozens per reserve). And it was not that people ran at them asking for help because they could not afford the care. They found these animals either neglected (during door to door canvasing) or the owners took them to the vets to get spayed and the vets noticed the severe injuries. The owners were just there for the free spay, cared less. One native, who's dog had a broken leg that healed so poorly that it looked like it had 3 joints, said "The dog can still walk, just cut it balls off fuckin' thing humps everything". One native kicked their dog in front of canvassers.

Yes, I judge them based on their treatment of animals. Especially considering their self-prophesied love for nature and the great animal spirits. My arse.

[cancer man]

They were cold that day and i wanted to drop off some blankets but i could'nt
get thru.

[SJW]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


Right and all of that was a COLOSSAL mistake that needs correcting, it did nothing but bring us to this point right now, massive unemployment, massive substance abuse, and massive corruption. Enough is enough. It was mentioned earlier in the thread but how long can this go on? I'll quote codetrap "Should Athens still have to make regular payments to Sparta as per the "Treaty of the Thirty Years Peace", signed in 445 BC? Yeah, didn't think so...."

At some point it must end, and now is as good a time as any!

Start an Enough is Enough movement.

[hampstor]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


You want a real eye opener? Take a flight over one in a small plane. It's incredible, nothing but trash everywhere, burnt out homes, burnt out cars. All this talk about the land, tough to take any of it seriously when you see what they do with it.

That's the most ironic part. They're upset at Harper in part because of his recent decisions regarding the environment, but you look at how they treat their own "precious' land, it's a disgrace.

Let us not forget the landfill fire last year... not exactly a stellar example of proper management of our environment.

[Ntense_SpecV]

Originally posted by SJW


Start an Enough is Enough movement.

And be labelled a racist for telling the truth? Don't bloody think so with all the double talk/actions. That is the hard part about all this. Eveyone knows that the moment you deal with First Nations you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by btimbit


Nenshi was happy there were no arrests
I wanted to see arrests...

Where's the blind part come in?

Originally posted by Seth1968


..and he also said, "I do think you have to be respectful and make sure you’re not disrupting people’s lives".

So which is it Nenshi?

+1 to both of these.

Likely the Chief of police called Nenshi because dealing with natives is a sensitive issue right now, and he likely said "Don't do anything"

That just opened the door for them to keep shutting down roads - supposedly another "demonstration" is scheduled for tomorrow... we'll see if another road or bridge gets shut down.

Originally posted by frizzlefry
A good friend of mine volunteered with an animal welfare organization that goes onto reserves and spays/neuters their cats and dogs for free to try and control the pet population. During their year of volunteering they:

Had a gun fired in the air to make them leave (it worked)
Had numerous cars vandalized
30+ thefts of personal items
Threats

My friend noticed the garbage everywhere, destroyed vehicles, open pollution etc etc. But the biggest take away I got was based on the old adage that you can judge a people by how they care for their animals. There were so many animals that had unhealed wounds, broken limbs, malnutrition and starvation. Puppies abandoned in burning tire piles. The vets that were there were prepared to spay and neuter pets. They had to perform dozens of emergency surgeries on dogs and cats (that’s dozens per reserve). And it was not that people ran at them asking for help because they could not afford the care. They found these animals either neglected (during door to door canvasing) or the owners took them to the vets to get spayed and the vets noticed the severe injuries. The owners were just there for the free spay, cared less. One native, who's dog had a broken leg that healed so poorly that it looked like it had 3 joints, said "The dog can still walk, just cut it balls off fuckin' thing humps everything". One native kicked their dog in front of canvassers.

Yes, I judge them based on their treatment of animals. Especially considering their self-prophesied love for nature and the great animal spirits. My arse.

About two years ago they had some bad water damage from weather on the Tsuu T'ina/Sarcee reserve around stampede time. I called a few contractors and we were to go out there together in a group of trucks (nobody to split up as instructed by their chief) only to have it called off because it was their celebration day or something - the chief actually called the contractors office and said it's best there aren't any white people on the reserve since there will be an abundance of liquor being consumed that day.

Don't get me wrong, I did appreciate the heads up, but sickened by how whtie people are slated as racism, when a chief is genuinely concerned for our health by trying to show up and FIX THEIR HOMES.

When we did end up making it out there, we'd go inside, scope damages/start emergency work we'd come out to trucks with broken windows, broken bottles next to the truck from having them thrown at it, threats made for not being allowed into their homes (even with poop backing up from sewer backups)

Was ridiculous, we ended up just going home. It wasn't worth the trouble and the contractor didn't care about not getting any money from the work that was even started.

edit: more to the point of their treatment of animals, my friend was driving through a reserve and saw 2 puppies roped up so they were basically hanging like a noose from the side of the house. They had a bowl of water & food below them, but only as a cruel joke - the ropes kept their heads looking upward since they were so tight and there was no possible way they could have eaten/drank.

My friend got out of his car , cut the ropes and took the dogs.

Sure it's theft, but those dogs would have died.