Idle No More protests target bridges, roads across Canada

[ercchry]

no, but really. any wednesday i've stop by the tables i've walked out with at least an extra $100

[msommers]

Originally posted by dj_rice
http://video.brantfordexpositor.ca/v.../2098990014001
[/IMG]

I bet if the media wasn't there, he would have got his ass kicked and ended up in hospital.

[phil98z24]

Originally posted by vengie


That same Charter protects the rest of our rights to use the roadways out tax dollars paid for.

Phil, you should if possible convey the message to superiors that people are getting pissed off with the inaction of Police and politicians. Through my social groups I am hearing of organization of a blockade to the Grey Eagle (not just through this board) as the message being sent by police is "it is ok to do so, as long as you aren't violent!". Enough double standards, times to ENFORCE the laws you have sworn to uphold.

You think they don't already know that? There are teams of lawyers for governments, police services, and all manner of invested parties, working around the clock across the country on this crap, and no one has the perfect answer to make everyone happy.

I didn't say I agreed with it, and I'm just trying to offer a possible explanation. I'm pretty comfortable with what my job entails, the law, and how I fit into all of this, so I'll assume that last sentence wasn't a personal jab and more of a general assertion about your view on this.

[Go4Long]

haha. I'd be down to protest.

[JustGo]

One thing is certain, there is bound to be case law coming out of this at some point.

Like Phil said, we all know this is a nuisance, but I think I would be in the majority if I said I would rather spend a week answering why I haven't been arresting every native person blocking a roadway, than 3 years in court proceedings explaining my actions. I wish 'because beyond told me to' was a good enough reason. Police going in and arresting people will have such ridiculously far reaching ramifications, it's easy to sit here and look through tunnel vision and only see the quick fix, but you have to understand the consequences of this when it eventually goes to court.

I can already see the 'excessive force' complaints from every native person arrested. All the arms in casts, no matter how gently the cuffs were put on. It's going to be a shit show.

[FraserB]

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[Thomas Gabriel]

Originally posted by dj_rice
http://video.brantfordexpositor.ca/v.../2098990014001

Damn that guy is boss

[kaput]

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[Grogador]

Why stoop to their level and block the casino entrance? Go counter-protest like buddy up there, or organize something meaningful downtown or somewhere... Start in the casino parking lot, then get migrated out onto the roundabout... no need to block the road... altho it may eventually turn into a stream of "pedestrians"

Cops should be giving these clowns jaywalking tickets at least. Get their names, arrest them for identification purposes if they don't cooperate. It's what they do to whitey, so come on with that equality already!

[fiveowed]

They guy with the toque doesnt even look like a indian more like a hipster

[msommers]

I don't know if this is completely analogous but this whole situation seems to remind me of some women who want equality but have everything bought for them. Then when I don't I'm a cheapass! With respect to the situation at hand, it seems like all the equality of the common Canadian should be provided. Agreed. Then there's more on top! You don't give the extra, you're cheap AND racist! That's what this whole thing boils down to for me.

It seems like this whole cat and mouse game where its just easier to accept rather than spending the effort fighting about. That's my take on how the government has been dealing with it for the last few decades. Happy wife equals happy life (kinda)?

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by JustGo
One thing is certain, there is bound to be case law coming out of this at some point.

Like Phil said, we all know this is a nuisance, but I think I would be in the majority if I said I would rather spend a week answering why I haven't been arresting every native person blocking a roadway, than 3 years in court proceedings explaining my actions. I wish 'because beyond told me to' was a good enough reason. Police going in and arresting people will have such ridiculously far reaching ramifications, it's easy to sit here and look through tunnel vision and only see the quick fix, but you have to understand the consequences of this when it eventually goes to court.

I can already see the 'excessive force' complaints from every native person arrested. All the arms in casts, no matter how gently the cuffs were put on. It's going to be a shit show.

So if there`s a counter protest at the casino, will they be given the same leeway?

[cancer man]

I think they should block off all the Saddle Dome entrances before the Flames game.That would be so cool.

[Maxt]

Were there cops present in the incident above? There is no way they should be allowed to jump on that persons truck, or even impeded its movement. That is not "peaceful protest", at that point they are attacking, and damaging her person/property.

[Type_S1]

Originally posted by Maxt
Were there cops present in the incident above? There is no way they should be allowed to jump on that persons truck, or even impeded its movement. That is not "peaceful protest", at that point they are attacking, and damaging her person/property.

Does this not constitute some form of assault?

They are impeding this person from leaving an area, surrounding and damaging a vehicle (yes, I would call it damage no matter how little. That guy on the hood would have left a scratch of scuff) and the person in the vehicle I can guarantee felt they had the potential to be harmed.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by fiveowed


They guy with the toque doesnt even look like a indian more like a hipster

You're right.. Another bleeding heart hipster do gooder that has found his inner free loader...
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/01/1...-hits-edmonton

[Maxt]

I haven't been able to find any backup news for this, but this was posted on Calgary Puck.

Originally Posted by Jets4Life
Not sure if anyone has heard anything about this, but a couple of "protesters" tried to forcefully enter my work camp east of Conklin. They pulled a gun on a security woman, and tried to enter the work area, before being intercepted by two RCMP patrol cars. There was a brief standoff, before both men were arrested. I am shocked that this has not made the news, as everyone at my camp is talking about it... __________________

[Go4Long]

hahaha....

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/01/1...rgely-illusory

So the guys that were blocking the highway in Edmonton yesterday, and the chief in that video claiming the white guy counter protesting is on "his" land are all full of shit, the band sold most of it's land in 1880 for a cash settlement, with the last of the residents being bought out in 1889. Their problem? the supereme court voted unanimously that their claim to an additional entitlement to $2.5 BILLION had no grounds, and was dismissed.

The first thing to remember about the Idle No More blockade that kinda, sorta happened on the QEII highway just south of town on Wednesday is that the group behind it — the Papaschase First Nation — isn’t even a real aboriginal band.

If anything, Papaschase is an air band — existing only in thin air. It has a chief, but no reserve. Even the Supreme Court of Canada has rejected its attempt to file a land claim. Yet there they were disrupting the busiest highway in the province.

Like much of the Idle movement, the Papaschase grievances are largely illusory. Yet that didn’t stop them from trying to harass, delay and generally annoy tens of thousands of law-abiding Albertans.

The ancestors of today’s Papaschase complainants signed away their reserve in the late 1880s. Of the 10 families on the reserve (which covered most of current southeast Edmonton) in 1886, seven — including the chief — gave up their claims in return for a cash payment. Most moved to the Enoch reserve west of town or drifted away.

The remaining three families agreed to be bought out in 1889.

Much of present-day Edmonton south of Whitemud Drive, including the drive itself, is on what was once Papaschase land.

Roughly, the old reserve ran from 51st Avenue in the north to Ellerslie Road on the south, and from 122nd Street in the west to 34th Street in the east — a large (and valuable) chunk of the city. It includes Southgate Mall, Mill Woods Town Centre and South Edmonton Common, the newest leg of Anthony Henday Drive and four high schools, Harry Ainlay, Louis St. Laurent, Holy Trinity and J. Percy Page.

Roughly 175,000 Edmontonians today live on what was once Papaschase land. But the operative word is “was.”

The “band” was not seeking a return of its land. Rather it wanted compensation of a mere $2.5 billion.

However, in 2008, the Supreme Court ruled the current group of aboriginals who claim to be descendants of Chief Papaschase could not file a land claim. The justices were unanimous in their decision.

The Papaschase complaint may point to the biggest problem with Idle No More.

Since its inception last fall, the movement has degenerated into a bitter stew of gripes about injuries both real and imagined. It has become a hodgepodge of hysterical and conspiratorial claims, such as the mistaken belief that the recent federal budget bill makes it easier for bands to sell off their lands permanently. It has become a patchwork quilt representing any and every complaint ever harboured by a single aboriginal or band.

Idle is too ill-defined and too splintered to ever be satisfied.

Perhaps that is why so many non-aboriginal Canadians have proclaimed themselves fed-up with Idle in particular and aboriginal complaints in general.

This week 60% of Canadians told pollsters Ipsos-Reid that “most of the problems of native people are brought on by themselves.” Similarly, two-thirds said there was already enough money going from Ottawa to the reserves. A further 81% said no more money should go until audits and controls could be put in place to ensure an end to chronic waste of tax dollars.

Disdain for Idle’s claims was highest on the Prairies – not surprising since our region is home to most of the country’s biggest, traditional reserves. On the question of whether band finances are well-managed, for instance, just 8% of Saskatchewan and Manitoba residents and just 16% of Albertans said “yes.”

While Canadians are sympathetic to those who live on reserves, they have tired of the permanent claims of victimhood and demands for more money and even less accountability.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by JustGo
t I think I would be in the majority if I said I would rather spend a week answering why I haven't been arresting every native person blocking a roadway, than 3 years in court proceedings explaining my actions.

Well we got our answer as to why nothing is being done folks.

I had no idea that part of the decision making an Officer makes involves how long they'll have to be in court. That statement scares the SHIT out of me, am I alone? The fact an officer decides whether or not they're going to uphold the law based on whether it will require additional work? Yikes.

[1barA4]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


Well we got our answer as to why nothing is being done folks.

I had no idea that part of the decision making an Officer makes involves how long they'll have to be in court. That statement scares the SHIT out of me, am I alone? The fact an officer decides whether or not they're going to uphold the law based on whether it will require additional work? Yikes.

I think you're taking his quote out of context.

(Facetiously) The missing part to JustGo's statement is that there's no ticket revenue to be generated from this arrest. Clearly CPS' divisional duties are:
Homicide - ticketing
Burglary - ticketing
Gang unit - ticketing
Traffic - you better believe it's ticketing

All other crimes are secondary.



In seriousness, I don't doubt there'd be incredible hassles, spurious claims of excessive force, etc. so the fact remains that it's easier to let people break the law in minor ways than to enforce it with an iron fist. Especially where the Nates are involved, which is basically what Phil said.

If the Grey Eagle blockade goes ahead (on city land not Nate land) be prepared for CPS to slap cuffs on all the non-Nates doing so.