Guy detained at Chinook

[dewytrain]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/cr...756/story.html

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/598...curity-guards/

Anyone read, or seen the video on this? Thoughts?

[Tik-Tok]

Seriously excessive considering they're mall-cops. Even if the guy didn't punch of them, continually beating him, while he's pinned to the ground is unjustified.

I also love how in all these video's, the "authorities" (real or rent-a-cop), demand the suspect take their arms out from under them, when there's usually 3-4 guys putting hundreds of lbs on their body. Like how is a guy even suppose to move like that?

[Modelexis]

At least these employees have a chance of loosing their job unlike the police that get away with this stuff on a regular basis.

I doubt Chinook will put these employees on paid desk duties until they're exonerated.

When have criminal charges ever been laid against police officers that act in this manner?

[03ozwhip]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok

I also love how in all these video's, the "authorities" (real or rent-a-cop), demand the suspect take their arms out from under them, when there's usually 3-4 guys putting hundreds of lbs on their body. Like how is a guy even suppose to move like that?

agreed, its happened to me, i went through something very similar a few years ago. anyways, there is a beyonder that works there, dont know if he can shed some light on this or not based on it being in the hands of the police, but would love to hear the story on their side.

[FullFledgedYYC]

The way I see it... either he punched someone or he didn't. If he did, the cops should have been called. If he didn't, their use of force is completely ridiculous. So either way, they did the wrong thing.

I also agree with Modelexis, they will likely be fired, a cop would be put on paid desk duty or suspension with pay.... OH NO!

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by FullFledgedYYC
The way I see it... either he punched someone or he didn't. If he did, the cops should have been called. If he didn't, their use of force is completely ridiculous. So either way, they did the wrong thing.

I also agree with Modelexis, they will likely be fired, a cop would be put on paid desk duty or suspension with pay.... OH NO!

I'm not defending or attacking the security guards, but maybe cops were already called and they're trying to detain him until he does show?

I have no idea what the person did, but 3+ guys to keep him down seems like a lot.

[03ozwhip]

^^ya but the police are unionized, no? that helps them alot with the non firing issue, but not these guys, they can be fired for anything that anyone else could be fired for that isnt unionized.

i have to agree that a couple of them definitely werent as professional as they could be, even if the guy punched one of them, the right thing to do(for your job to stay in tact) is to detain him and thats it. might be forceful at first, but once hes down, hes down.

[Modelexis]

The general public has the ball in their court when these things happen.

People could instantly and easily boycott chinook until these employees are fired.

Chinook could literally become empty over a period of 24 hours if enough people wanted to send a message, you can vote out the officers simply directing your money to another outlet.

It would require no lawyers, no charges laid and no government regulations, no investigation, people could simply stop funding the mall until the people involved are fired.
That's true voting power.

[DENZILDON]

There may be something more to it........

Doussept said the incident began when he sat down on an escalator, a security guard told him to stand up, and a verbal argument ensued in a mall vestibule. Doussept said he then went outside, threw away a coffee cup, and waved goodbye to the guards, who were “about five or six feet” away from him. “I put my hand up just to wave goodbye, and they charged me,” he said. “They didn’t say we think you’re threatening us, or anything. They just came at me.”

He sits at the escalator feeling like gangster...
Security sees it and asks him to get to avoid any accidents..
He still plays the gangster role and I bet he threw the coffee cup at security and waived a finger
Security closes in him to detain him for littering
and he tries to get away or something hitting one of the guards
GF videos only the part when he is being detained for the real cops to arrive.

[revelations]

I've seen a lot worse - not saying its justified however - but the video only shows the aftermath, what was the retard doing before he got jumped by mall cops?

[DENZILDON]

Let's ask Traffic Cop..

Can Mall security detain an individual?

And how much physical force can they use under these circumstances?

[spikerS]

anyone can detain anyone for any reason, it is called a citizens arrest.

If after the police arrive and sort things out, if there was no good reason for the arrest, the citizen making the arrest can be brought up on charges.

Citizen's arrests are pretty rare by the general public as most of them don't know they have that power. Mall security, or retail security are in effect making a citizens arrest and detaining a suspect for the police. Nothing illegal about it at all. But they also made damn sure their case is air tight with lots of supporting evidence.

as for what transpired here, I see no issue with what happened. As for the few swings I saw, that is meant to losen the guy up and to change the position of the guys arms so they can gain control. I don't believe those were anywhere near full swing punches at all. I have witnessed so much worse.

[thetransporter]

Originally posted by Modelexis

People could instantly and easily boycott chinook until these employees are fired.

Chinook could literally become empty over a period of 24 hours if enough people wanted to send a message, you can vote out the officers simply directing your money to another outlet.

best post yet. I agree.

[Stephen81]

That escalated quickly

[FraserB]

Originally posted by DENZILDON
Let's ask Traffic Cop..

Can Mall security detain an individual?

And how much physical force can they use under these circumstances?

Yes.

They can use whatever physical force is reasonable in the situation. The crown prosecutor's office determines what is reasonable based on the evidence.

With no legal training and only watching the video, and assuming that he has told the entire truth, the two furthest from the camera should probably be fired/charged.

[LollerBrader]

Originally posted by spikers
anyone can detain anyone for any reason, it is called a citizens arrest.

I hereby place you under citizen's arrest for giving excessively vague and incorrect legal advice.

[fiveowed]

Would like to know what the guy did. I am sure this will hit the news.

[kambo.king]

What idiots hitting the guy n there not cops

[WhippWhapp]

Fucking mall cops...

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by spikers


as for what transpired here, I see no issue with what happened. As for the few swings I saw, that is meant to losen the guy up and to change the position of the guys arms so they can gain control. I don't believe those were anywhere near full swing punches at all. I have witnessed so much worse.

I don't know about you, but when someone punches me, I sure as he'll don't "loosen up", quite the opposite.