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    http://home.mytelus.com/telusen/port...CatID=National

    OTTAWA - Justin Trudeau has made no apologies for offering little in the way of substantive policy prescriptions during the Liberal leadership race.

    Indeed, Trudeau has argued it's not the leader's role to hand down commandments from on high to grassroots Liberals. Instead, he's promised that if he becomes leader, he would develop the party's platform from the bottom up, based on consultations from Liberals in particular and Canadians in general.

    During the leadership campaign, Trudeau launched a "soapbox" feature on his website in a bid to encourage policy input from average folks.

    "This campaign is about conversations, not one-way monologues," he said on the site. "We believe that good ideas can come from any corner, and that Canadians deserve the opportunity to share their concerns and offer up their ideas."

    Still, on some select issues, Trudeau has offered some glimpses of where he'd take the party, and the country, if given the chance:

    Democratic reform: Trudeau unveiled a detailed five-point plan aimed at making Canada's electoral system more representative of Canadians' choices and MPs more responsive to the views of their constituents. It includes:

    - Requiring all prospective Liberal candidates, including incumbent MPs, to win the right to carry the party banner during an election through open nomination contests.

    - Empowering backbenchers by loosening party discipline, allowing Liberal MPs to vote as they see fit on everything except bills implementing elements of the party's 2015 election platform, budget or significant money bills, and "those that speak to the shared values embodied in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms." He'd also strengthen the parliamentary committee system, limit the ability of government to prorogue Parliament and end the practice of introducing huge omnibus bills that aren't readily scrutinized by MPs.

    - Reforming Canada's first-past-the-post electoral system so that a party's share of the popular vote is more closely reflected in its share of the seats in the House of Commons. Trudeau would institute a preferential ballot, wherein voters would rank their choices and the winner in each riding would need to capture more than 50 per cent of the vote.

    - Creating an arm's-length body to ensure government advertising is not used for partisan promotion.

    - Beefing up third-party oversight by independent officers of Parliament, such as the parliamentary budget officer, and agencies, such as Elections Canada.

    National unity: Trudeau has ruled out any attempt to finally secure Quebec's signature on the Constitution, patriated by his father, the late Pierre Trudeau, in 1982 over the objections of the province's separatist government. He says Quebecers aren't interested in re-opening old constitutional squabbles.

    He supports the Clarity Act, which stipulates a clear majority of Quebecers would have to vote Yes to a clear referendum question on independence before the federal government would agree to negotiate the terms of a divorce. He is adamantly opposed to the NDP's proposed replacement bill, which would require only a bare majority of 50 per cent plus one vote to trigger negotiations. Trudeau has said he believes Quebec's current language laws are sufficient to protect francophones and don't need to be strengthened.

    Senate reform: Trudeau considers an elected Senate a "terrible idea" that would exacerbate the under-representation of western provinces and potentially result in parliamentary gridlock on issues where the Senate was at odds with the House of Commons. He said he believes better quality appointments, along with 12-year term limits, are all that's required to fix the much-maligned upper house.

    Natural resources: Trudeau is opposed to the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline to carry bitumen from Alberta's oilsands to the B.C. coast, but is open to other, less environmentally problematic pipeline proposals.

    He supports the contentious Keystone XL pipeline, which would transport bitumen from northern Alberta to Gulf Coast refineries. He supports foreign ownership, including by state-owned enterprises like China's CNOOC, in the oilsands and other Canadian resources.

    He favours putting a price on carbon but has not specified whether that would be through a carbon tax, cap and trade, regulation or some combination. He would not attempt to reinstate the hated national energy program instituted by his father.


    Education: A Trudeau government's "highest national economic priority" would be to increase the proportion of Canadians with post-secondary education to 70 per cent from the current rate of just over 50 per cent. He has not specified how he'd do it, but has mused about making student loans repayable according to income earned after graduation, creating a personal registered education savings plan program, and working with private and non-profit sectors to increase workplace training. Economy: Trudeau has said his focus will be on improving the standard of living and economic security of middle class Canadians. He has not provided details, other than to rule out increasing the GST back to 7 per cent from the current 5 per cent and saying he would scrap the Harper government's plan to raise the age of eligibility for old age security to 67 from 65. Trudeau has also ruled out changes to corporate tax rates and the possibility of a so-called "wealth tax" on high-income Canadians. Gun control: Trudeau has described the Chretien-era long-gun registry as a "failed" policy that he has no plans to revisit. Marijuana: Trudeau supports decriminalization of pot but has expressed skepticism about full-blown legalization, a position adopted by the Liberal rank and file at last year's policy convention.

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    Initially, this sounds good... REALLY good. And that is bad to the average citizen. They'll read the parties info, go "gee whiz, these liberal guys sound peachy keen" and vote for them. But...

    Trudeau supports Keystone because IT PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN NOW THAT THE USA IS BECOMING OIL SELF-SUFFICIENT FOR THE NEXT DECADE OR SO. Already he is trying to cripple Alberta. Which becomes even more apparent when you realize ALL OF HIS NATURAL RESOURCE POLICIES HE STATED ARE STRICTLY AIMED AT THE OILSANDS WITHOUT SAYING SO.

    Senate reform is important, as the Liberals can appoint whoever they want into power in the senate which is why we are currently blocked there. If it had to be representative, they should be voted in, period.

    Clearly, he is his father's son. We're fucked. Conservatives are fucked. Welcome back to being the black sheep of Canada my western brethren, it was a good run

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    Originally posted by HiTempguy1
    Initially, this sounds good... REALLY good. And that is bad to the average citizen. They'll read the parties info, go "gee whiz, these liberal guys sound peachy keen" and vote for them.
    This.

    It's all just "feel good" rhetoric that a lot of people will fall for. Now add in all the people that know nothing about politics, but will vote for him because he "seems nice" and has a nice smile (the Layton thing again).

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    Reforming Canada's first-past-the-post electoral system so that a party's share of the popular vote is more closely reflected in its share of the seats in the House of Commons. Trudeau would institute a preferential ballot, wherein voters would rank their choices and the winner in each riding would need to capture more than 50 per cent of the vote.
    This is the clever one. A preferential ballot is what favors the Liberals more than anything (say compared to a proportional system) because most people's second choice would be the Liberals if they aren't already voting for them. Unless people are really on top of how it works, it would be almost guaranteed to give the centre party the edge almost every time in the hotly contested ridings. Especially outside of Alberta, most CPC voters' 2nd choice would be the Libs. Most NDP voters' second choice would be the Libs. The Liberal second choices can go either way so there's no distinct advantage to any one party.

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    I don't much care for candidates that have no platform and run on a campaign of "I'll do what you want." Shows a lack of intelligence. Having said that, some of the ideas he has are decent. Mainly the elimination of these insanely large bills the Harper government is throwing through. Either way, I've been voting for a while now, and I've noticed it really makes no difference who gets elected. Same shit, different day.

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    Key question -- what is his stance on decriminalization of marijuana?

    The stoner vote depends on it!
    Originally posted by hurrdurr
    I wouldn't gamble with a DP on one of these.

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    Originally posted by 1barA4
    Key question -- what is his stance on decriminalization of marijuana?

    The stoner vote depends on it!
    I would venture that the majority of stoners don't vote and those who do are going green.

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    As much as I dislike the dithering Liberals fiscally, they would likely move the country ahead from a present moral standard with things like decriminalizing marijuana.

    The war on drugs was lost decades ago because the DEMAND keeps going up. Lets end the stupidity and move on.

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    Can't wait for another Trudeau. Ill take integrity and common sense and a 'pro average joe' leadership style.

    To long have we pandered to the corporate agenda and watched our wealth transferred to the corporations ans siphoned out of canada.

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    Ps. Oil prices are still very high.... and the province is broke. Programs getting cut. Panic on the horizon.

    How does that happen?

    Canada is on the verge of economic turmoil. Housing tumbling across the country. If liberals take over in the near future, they will take the helm when the roller coaster is already heading downhill.

    It will be just like in the US when Obama took the reigns from Bush. The idiots will blame the left. The intelligent people will know it was the right wing nuts that got us 'here'... and all the left can now do is try and avoid derailment on the way down.

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    Originally posted by Toma
    Ill take integrity and common sense and a 'pro average joe' leadership style.
    Where have you seen that with this guy though? I don't entirely disagree with the remainder of your post or the next one but I'm not sure what this portion of your thought is based on?

    How does a guy who's been in the "1%" (for lack of a better term.....) since he took his very first breath have any real concept of the "average Joe"? Additionally, what track record does he have to show this record of common sense leadership?

    I don't think things are great now but so far I'm failing to see how a guy who, if he didn't have his family name, wouldn't have a hope in hell of coming within a country mile of a leadership race can offer any rays of sunshine. Charisma and a slick smile don't really mean shit at the end of the day and he doesn't have an ounce of anything behind him, beyond his daddy's name that people wax affectionate over, that would qualify him to run a country.

    Does he?
    Last edited by JRSC00LUDE; 04-15-2013 at 03:25 PM.
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    Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
    Originally posted by snowcat
    Don't let the e-thugs and faggots get to you when they quote your posts and write stupid shit.

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    Genetics. His dad was a born leader. Junior is very obviously socialy conscious and always seems to take the side of people over 'agenda'. He is very obviously 'his fathers son'.

    It takes a good person to be a peoples leader. Something you almost never see in politics.

    I welcome our new overlord and look foreward to the overthrow of the neo con corporate pandering, middle class murdering, dipshits.

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    Trudeau is getting my vote.

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    Originally posted by Toma
    Genetics. His dad was a born leader. Junior is very obviously socialy conscious and always seems to take the side of people over 'agenda'. He is very obviously 'his fathers son'.

    It takes a good person to be a peoples leader. Something you almost never see in politics.
    Do you not agree though that it takes more than just that?

    I'm not saying you're wrong and I am admittedly not thoroughly versed in the guy and his "policy" but, does he really have any? Does he really support any "people" outside of his own societal comfort zone?

    So far all I really see is a figurehead who doesn't have any real stance, just a lot of ambiguity that doesn't polarize either end of an argument. I see a guy who wants to run a party and a country without really taking a stance, just push what the party in general decides it wants. And THAT, seems dangerous to me. How the hell can someone like that stand on a world stage? The only way that doesn't seem unsettling is if you're just a dyed in the wool Liberal supporter who thinks anything they do will be right without question.

    Historically yes, there have been good things for this country accomplished by the Liberals but so far all I see is sizzle here. It's early though so, time will reveal much I am sure. One thing I can say, he's already miles ahead of anything the worthless NDP could put on the table.....
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    Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
    Originally posted by snowcat
    Don't let the e-thugs and faggots get to you when they quote your posts and write stupid shit.

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    Belief. Intelligence. Integrity. Incorruptibility.

    Enough. Lets see if he has all 4.

    Alberta broke? How the fuck did that happen?

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    Originally posted by Toma
    Belief. Intelligence. Integrity. Incorruptibility.

    Enough. Lets see if he has all 4.
    Fair enough. I don't trust him or his ability at this point but, I don't entirely discount him either. I do admit, it will be interesting to see what he does. The coming year should provide for some good TV, so to speak.

    Like it or not, I think anyone would have to admit he is the only person on the political horizon who has a legitimate shot at taking the reins of the country. I think the same things that I feel make him dangerous are the ones that COULD make him beneficial. Looking forward to seeing how it will play out.



    Originally posted by Sugarphreak
    NDP have actually started tailoring their political stances to be less socialist and more liberal, I think they are going to be a lot more interesting for the next election.
    THAT is more dangerous than Trudeau. God damn NDP trying to lie about who they are and pull the wool over peoples eyes....I'd take the Trudeau Liberals 8 days a week before an NDP wrecking ball.


    Originally posted by Sugarphreak
    Little too late for the Liberals. Personally I think they peaked when Paul Martin was the finance minister, it was all downhill from there. Now they are ruined, party is made up of people who have no business in politics. IMO He is a good pretty boy figure head with a lot of star power, but no brains to back it up.
    I think you'll be suprised as to what he does to the east as far as galvanizing support. He'll have most of Ontario and Quebec lining up to wash his feet by years end. I think he lacks a lot of things but brainpower is not one of them.
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    Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
    Originally posted by snowcat
    Don't let the e-thugs and faggots get to you when they quote your posts and write stupid shit.

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    Unfortunately made up my mind when I read this:

    Natural resources: Trudeau is opposed to the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline to carry bitumen from Alberta's oilsands to the B.C. coast, but is open to other, less environmentally problematic pipeline proposals.
    Canada needs new market for crude. I think he has a lot of other good ideas though. Shame he's against natural resource development which is essentially the life blood of this country.
    Originally posted by 89coupe
    I do get great service there, especially when I mention my name, haha.

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    Originally posted by Canmorite
    Unfortunately made up my mind when I read this:



    Canada needs new market for crude. I think he has a lot of other good ideas though. Shame he's against natural resource development which is essentially the life blood of this country.
    Why? Crude is gonna fall in price. We need to diversify to ensure we do not repeat the disaster that was the 80s.

    Also, we should maximize our cut of what we already produce.

    Banking on oil alone is a naive recipe for doom.

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    Originally posted by Toma

    To long have we pandered to the corporate agenda and watched our wealth transferred to the corporations ans siphoned out of canada.
    If you think that would change under Junior, think again. They've got they're hands in too many pockets. He's just Nenshi on a national level. Lots of great ideas that will never see fruition.

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