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    https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/1...ilot-statement

    https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week’s-accident

    I get that Tesla has a creative marketing team that can make shit sounds better than it is, but when it comes to this, I really wish they just stick to the truth without trying to twist the narrative. Just 2 sentences with vague details, and 6 paragraphs on how safe they think AP is.

    So, reading through all that, we know the following about the accident.

    - Autopilot was on and drove straight into the barrier.
    - Some point prior to the accident, zero reference to time, driver had some warnings. If you’ve ever driven AP, you’ll know that the hand detection does randomly go off even if hands are on the wheel (it detects hands by turning force on the wheel)
    - the car detected hands off 6 seconds prior to the accident, 5 seconds to see AP barreling towards the barrier and driver did nothing.

    So, most likely driver wasn’t paying attention, and I can tell you using these AP systems, I’ve been guilty of that. It gives you a false sense of security. My theory that the car followed the line into the false lane straight into the barrier is probably correct. Could’ve been just weird lighting that caused AP to behave differently because it “saw” the lines differently. Finally, this goes to show why we actually need LIDAR. Emergency braking did nothing, and this is by design on radar based systems, regardless if it’s Tesla, Mercedes, Volvo, or any other manufacturer. This is because radar can’t really tell stationary objects properly without a ton of false positives, rendering it useless. Optical recognition needs mega GPU power, and we’re not even close to being there yet, hence LIDAR as a stop gap. Because of this limitation and Tesla’s reluctance to use LIDAR, there are a ton of Tesla’s in the news running into stopped objects.
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    Will be funny if they go into bankruptcy protection and everyone’s pre order deposits get locked up for a few years in bankruptcy proceedings.
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    I wonder if someone like Shell would buy the charging network?

    Great PR and they have made themselves very clear about pursuing greener energy initiatives in the past. Great expertise running service stations in house.

    They could obviously afford it.

    Though the future perpetual charging obligations for S and X owners will lower the value of the existing network pretty significantly.
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    In the event of sell off, how likely will one of the big brands buy up Tesla for the charging network? Really that's the only part of Tesla is worth any $ IMO.
    Really? What's that worth? They don't own the land those chargers are built on, IMO.
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    McDonald's or Starbucks should buy it, It is the very definition of a captive customer situation

    Although I kind of think that in 5 to 10 years it will be an outdated and worthless. Home charging is way more viable now, and public charging areas are popping up everywhere. New charging systems are going to be way faster as well. In even just a few years the question will be [Why would you go to a "supercharger station" with your antiquated model-S when you could buy a band new German luxury e-car and charge up in 5 minutes.]
    I’m not convinced the charging network has much value either to be honest. Just a thought.

    Tesla will likely need to be more creative about raising funds in the next year or so and maybe selling off the charging network and some of the other solar city junk can raise them enough to limp through another year?
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    The moment governments/people/corporations start investing in smart roads (ie. roads with sensor/radar reflective markers) the auto pilot vehicles will have a much more level playing field.

    Right now, for road tracking, some companies are utilizing Lidar and some are utilizing radar or optics. Once the actual road/lane edge detection has been figured out (for all weather conditions), the manufacturers can focus more on the "what if" scenarios a little better.

    An example would be the auto-uber complete failure to detect a large mammal crossing the road slowly. Another would be debris on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    McDonald's or Starbucks should buy it, It is the very definition of a captive customer situation

    Although I kind of think that in 5 to 10 years it will be an outdated and worthless. Home charging is way more viable now, and public charging areas are popping up everywhere. New charging systems are going to be way faster as well. In even just a few years the question will be [Why would you go to a "supercharger station" with your antiquated model-S when you could buy a band new German luxury e-car and charge up in 5 minutes.]
    Which German luxury e-car is capable of being fully charged in 5 minutes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    You could read the entire post and the answer would be: all of them in 5 to 10 years.
    Aah but not right now. Even in 5-10 years, I wonder if e-vehicle support systems will be as strong as you say. Time will tell I guess but the whole industry seems to be poking along at a snail's pace - much lower growth or availability than I would've expected. In Calgary, a true e-vehicle is still quite a rare sight.
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    At some places I work at, the electric vehicle stalls have been converted into handicap and loading zones after a few years of being unused, the buy in hasn't been happening at the pace planned for I guess. You'd think at places with 40-50 full-time staff, at least one person would have gone EV by this time..
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I’m not convinced the charging network has much value either to be honest. Just a thought.
    You’re correct here. The superchargers only work on Tesla’s. If Tesla goes under, no more growth. Even if you open the standard to others, it’ll be outdated by the time they’re implemented in other vehicles as more powerful chargers and batteries hit the market.
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    Settle down. Check the date.
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    Tesla is a master business genius, he planned this perfectly. He's about to change the world again. This time, he's launching his own stock market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    Tesla is a master business genius, he planned this perfectly. He's about to change the world again. This time, he's launching his own stock market.
    Musk you mean?
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