Tesla Motors

[Waldi]

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It's a beautiful, poorly built, useful 80-90% of time car. As long as you don't drive more than 300km per day and you always parks at a charger while you sleep, it could work. It's just not as versatile as gas cars until another revolution of battery/charging tech arrives.

Study shows that on average persons drives less than 50km a day. So provided that Tesla has 300km limit, it serves very well this kind of market/customer. Sure if you drive a lot and may be off bitten path, this solution may not work for you. In terms of cost on average Tesla cost ~$2.80/100km, on average city driving say 10l/100km @$1/l the cost is ~$10/100km, about 70% more. So for average driver in the city it may be worth switching. I do not even want to go into tech secs, where if you like "burning rubber"- zero to 100, well no comment. For some folks might the question should I buy new Porsche or Tesla (cool factor + specs). From engineering standpoint, every manufacturer goes through pains of starting new production and quality at the beginning, with time these improve. I think we are at the stage where all car makers will move into this space and competition will only help with quality and cost. Tesla is a disruptor and innovator, and it is here to stay.

[Xtrema]

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Study shows that on average persons drives less than 50km a day. So provided that Tesla has 300km limit, it serves very well this kind of market/customer. Sure if you drive a lot and may be off bitten path, this solution may not work for you. In terms of cost on average Tesla cost ~$2.80/100km, on average city driving say 10l/100km @$1/l the cost is ~$10/100km, about 70% more. So for average driver in the city it may be worth switching. I do not even want to go into tech secs, where if you like "burning rubber"- zero to 100, well no comment. For some folks might the question should I buy new Porsche or Tesla (cool factor + specs). From engineering standpoint, every manufacturer goes through pains of starting new production and quality at the beginning, with time these improve. I think we are at the stage where all car makers will move into this space and competition will only help with quality and cost. Tesla is a disruptor and innovator, and it is here to stay.

So I like to take some friends to Lake Louise. That's 184km. I will not make it home without a trip to a super charger. So now I have to plan a trip to Golden for lunch, recharge for about 40-50mins (if there is no queue), and come home. And my lunch choice while it's charging is McD and a BBQ joint. And that's if you have a Tesla. If you have anything else, you are SOL on slow chargers.

That's what I meant EV is a 80-90% car, you will need something else for the other 10%. For most people right now, even a Civic is a 100% car.

We need more DC fast charging infrastructure before EV will work for long haul. And for that to happen, they must standardize from the 3 standards right now down to 1. So all can charge at the same chargers.

[suntan]

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We need more DC fast charging infrastructure before EV will work for long haul. And for that to happen, they must standardize from the 3 standards right now down to 1. So all can charge at the same chargers.

And extract a fuckton of copper. Mmm, more tailing ponds.

And then lay down said copper.

And then build new power plants.

And then build charging stations.

Surely this will be an easy task.

[npham]

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For some folks might the question should I buy new Porsche or Tesla (cool factor + specs).

Thankfully the Mission E is going to come out and you can have a Porsche and the "cool factor and specs" all in the same car. Not sure when Porsche became uncool, but they are going to sell a truckload of these EV cars.

Additionally, while the average cost per 100km for a Tesla might be cheaper, the entry price point is 2-5 times more expensive. If you can afford a Tesla, you likely do not care about this savings. No one buying a Tesla is thinking about the cost savings per 100km and how it's a great deal.

[KPHMPH]

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So I like to take some friends to Lake Louise. That's 184km. I will not make it home without a trip to a super charger. So now I have to plan a trip to Golden for lunch, recharge for about 40-50mins (if there is no queue), and come home. And my lunch choice while it's charging is McD and a BBQ joint. And that's if you have a Tesla. If you have anything else, you are SOL on slow chargers.

That's what I meant EV is a 80-90% car, you will need something else for the other 10%. For most people right now, even a Civic is a 100% car.

We need more DC fast charging infrastructure before EV will work for long haul. And for that to happen, they must standardize from the 3 standards right now down to 1. So all can charge at the same chargers.

Lake Louise has charger for its guests at the front of their parking lot.....FYI

[Gestalt]

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Lake Louise has charger for its guests at the front of their parking lot.....FYI

Hateraders don't care they like to swallow in their hate. not to metion by boss has made lake louise and back on one charge. the car is good for 99.99% of typical driving and these guys just like to trash it.

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it has had about as much impact on the automotive industry as Abercrombie & Fitch have had on the v-neck tee shirt market. T

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lol. The won't, And with persistance, the hateraders will convince me that tesla has done nothing for the industry or the world.

You can lead a man to tits but you cant fsrce him to stick his head between them

no way Tesla has anmy impact.

"It seems fitting given that Tesla Motors, under Musk's leadership, has been credited with pushing the entire automotive industry toward EVs. Even Bob Lutz, the chief rabble-rouser at General Motors, has hailed the company for giving the industry a swift kick in the ass and proving lithium-ion battery technology could work in cars.
"Tesla gave us a major impetus," Lutz said a few months back during the Los Angeles Auto Show. "I'm thankful to Tesla for giving those of us who championed the Chevrolet Volt proof that lithium-ion batteries would work.""

aRE YOU SECRETLY bOB lUTZ? Carlos gHOsN?

[dirtsniffer]

It's too bad your mom didn't like to swallow. Would have saved us a bunch of headache.

[Gestalt]

Too bad your mom drank so much during your last turm

[speedog]

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Too bad your mom drank so much during your last turm

What is 'turm'?

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[Xtrema]

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Hateraders don't care they like to swallow in their hate. not to metion by boss has made lake louise and back on one charge. the car is good for 99.99% of typical driving and these guys just like to trash it.

I'm not hating on it. Just properly representing the shortfall I experienced for my 2 weeks. Fact is now I'm back on ICE, I wish to have a Model S as a daily (even a lowly 75D) as I was stuck on Shag this morning. Regen braking is addictive and having ICE running during traffic jam is kinda pointless.

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Lake Louise has charger for its guests at the front of their parking lot.....FYI

2 NEMA14-50, that's cool. Do they force people to leave or will that be occupied by guest with no end in sight?

[rage2]

An interesting look at TCO of Model 3 now that it doesn't include free supercharging.

$8.60 for 167 miles of range for the Model 3. Comparing a similar vehicle (Mercedes C350e PIH) rated at 30mpg gas only, it would take 5.6 gallons of fuel to go the same range, or $16.94 at California's gas prices. Comparing to a more efficient hybrid (Toyota Prius) at 52mpg, it would take 3.2 gallons of fuel to go the same range, or $9.78 at California's gas prices.

The TCO advantage is eroding without free charging.

[JRSC00LUDE]

House of cards gets a little shakier every few months.

Gestalt's trolling? The same.

[benyl]

Forget cost, let' look at emissions:

43 KWh = 0.031992 metric tons CO2

5.6 gallons of gas = 0.0497672 metric tons CO2

3.2 gallons of gas = 0.0284384 metric tons CO2

According to : https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhous...and-references

[blownz]

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43 MWh = 0.031992 metric tons CO2

43 Mwh or Kwh?

And that is some crazy expensive electricity. Although I have never tried looking at what my actual cost is per kwh when you add in all the additional fees the utility companies add to the bill...

[benyl]

K not M

[rage2]

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And that is some crazy expensive electricity. Although I have never tried looking at what my actual cost is per kwh when you add in all the additional fees the utility companies add to the bill...

It's the US, well specifically California. That's why I used Cali gas prices too, which is 50% higher than the rest of the US. Will be curious to see how it looks in other states once we see some more charging receipts.

[Xtrema]

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$8.60 for 167 miles of range for the Model 3.

Well, Model S I drove I can do around 350wh/mi consider 50/50 city/hwy. 167mils = 58kwh.

Cali has 3 rates (4th if you include what Supercharger charges):

At 0.36 per kwh On-peak: $21.04
At 0.20 per kwh Tesla Supercharger rate: $11.69
At 0.17 per kwh Mid-peak: $9.94
At 0.09 per kwh Off-peak: $5.26

So that's why they are pushing solar roof and home battery so hard.

In Alberta, Supercharger charges at per min rate instead of per kwh rate. So it get tricky and if you want maximum range, because charging speed really depends on how many cars are at the charger and what condition your battery is at. When battery close to 90% full, charge speed slows to 1/2 to 1/3 of maximum. So if they charge you per min, you last 20-30mile of buffer would cost as much as you 1st 200miles.

BTW Rage, why is C350e not available in Canada?

[90_Shelby]

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Forget cost, let' look at emissions:

43 KWh = 0.031992 metric tons CO2

5.6 gallons of gas = 0.0497672 metric tons CO2

3.2 gallons of gas = 0.0284384 metric tons CO2

According to : https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhous...and-references

This post in addition to Rage2's are very interesting!

[zhao]

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An interesting look at TCO of Model 3 now that it doesn't include free supercharging.

$8.60 for 167 miles of range for the Model 3. Comparing a similar vehicle (Mercedes C350e PIH) rated at 30mpg gas only, it would take 5.6 gallons of fuel to go the same range, or $16.94 at California's gas prices. Comparing to a more efficient hybrid (Toyota Prius) at 52mpg, it would take 3.2 gallons of fuel to go the same range, or $9.78 at California's gas prices.

The TCO advantage is eroding without free charging.

Just wait until electricity prices skyrocket too from all this stupidly expensive renewable energy movement crap and increased demand on top of that for transportation usage.

[speedog]

InsureMyTesla - link to article. Interesting read.