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    Quote Originally Posted by supe View Post
    You dodged my point, I'll just ask you directly, do you think Elon is not capable of disrupting yet another industry like he did with space and electronic payments?
    And electric cars. Slef made guy who lived of $30 a month for food in Claifornia starring out. And people post 'if I had his money i could build a better car company"

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    Pretty sure he started Tesla when he was stupid rich

    If I had that kind of money I could easily start my own car company... lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
    never ever happened for anyone with a toy hummer. sorry. and pre 2015, the mielage ratings in canada were very optimisitic to begin with.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada...bers-1.1030890
    I regularly beat the window sticker mileage on all of my cars when I am on the highway

    Your baseless refute aside, EV's need to get better than gas vehicles to make up for the excessive charging time. So until they get 1000km+ or charge in 10 minutes, they are about as useful as an urban scooter.
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    Elon didn’t start Tesla. He funded it then took it over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
    Pretty sure he started Tesla when he was stupid rich

    If I had that kind of money I could easily start my own car company... lol.



    I regularly beat the window sticker mileage on all of my cars when I am on the highway

    Your baseless refute aside, EV's need to get better than gas vehicles to make up for the excessive charging time. So until they get 1000km+ or charge in 10 minutes, they are about as useful as an urban scooter.
    another "I'm better thant Musk" haha. you kill me.

    Musk is what? 50? Average age here? 30? You have 20 years to catch up to him and change the world yourself.. Stop posting nonsence, and get after it.

    Edit. he's 46, made his first billion age 40. Lets go boys times ticking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
    another "I'm better thant Musk" haha. you kill me.

    Musk is what? 50? Average age here? 30? You have 20 years to catch up to him and change the world yourself.. Stop posting nonsence, and get after it.

    Edit. he's 46, made his first billion age 40. Lets go boys times ticking.
    He got lucky with a big payout by piggy packing on paypal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
    He got lucky with a big payout by piggy packing on paypal
    yes yes of course, serial luckster. lottery after lottery for him all chance



    jelousy is not flattering on you. I could do better, if only i was as lucky just rings trashy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
    another "I'm better thant Musk" haha. you kill me.

    Musk is what? 50? Average age here? 30? You have 20 years to catch up to him and change the world yourself.. Stop posting nonsence, and get after it.

    Edit. he's 46, made his first billion age 40. Lets go boys times ticking.
    I could shit into a voice to text microphone and the result would be more intelligent that anything you've said here.
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    Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
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    Don't let the e-thugs and faggots get to you when they quote your posts and write stupid shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
    I could shit into a voice to text microphone and the result would be more intelligent that anything you've said here.
    You give yourself to many pats on the back.

    Once again another useless troll post by JRSCOOLDUDE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
    yes yes of course, serial luckster. lottery after lottery for him all chance



    jelousy is not flattering on you. I could do better, if only i was as lucky just rings trashy
    Easy to do better than Musk really, he is pretty awful at business

    Look at all the obvious mistakes, most people on beyond could do better if you dropped that kind of money into their hands.
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    Double post, but I want to get back on topic

    Vancouver just opened its first Hydrogen fuel station. I've been waiting a long while to see what I think will be the real future direction for cars starting to emerge.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...uver-1.4709016

    I've always said that Hydrogen makes a lot more sense as an energy storage medium compared with heavy metal batteries. Storage for hydrogen has become a lot safer, plus new process technologies are able to reduce the energy required to produce hydrogen; making it increasingly feasible as a fuel.

    The mining of exotic metals is expensive and ridiculously bad for the environment, and worse is the unreliable and short range that it provides for vehicles. Reduced long term battery capacity, sensitivity to temperatures, and expensive replacement cost are other negatives when compared to hydrogen. Batteries are just a clumsy option for automotive purposes.

    Hydrogen is the very definition of a clean burning fuel. Alternatively can be used in cells to produce electricity with no combustion. The storage capacity vs weight is better than batteries. Probably the biggest advantage is the fact that you can fill your car a hell of a lot faster than charging a battery.

    This is Hyundai's entry into the market, and they point out that it has better range and only a 5 minute fill-up compared to a Tesla:

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/8/16...v-car-ces-2018

    Toyota and Honda are launching their hydrogen cars in Canada shortly as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
    Double post, but I want to get back on topic

    Vancouver just opened its first Hydrogen fuel station. I've been waiting a long while to see what I think will be the real future direction for cars starting to emerge.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...uver-1.4709016

    I've always said that Hydrogen makes a lot more sense as an energy storage medium compared with heavy metal batteries. Storage for hydrogen has become a lot safer, plus new process technologies are able to reduce the energy required to produce hydrogen; making it increasingly feasible as a fuel.

    The mining of exotic metals is expensive and ridiculously bad for the environment, and worse is the unreliable and short range that it provides for vehicles. Reduced long term battery capacity, sensitivity to temperatures, and expensive replacement cost are other negatives when compared to hydrogen. Batteries are just a clumsy option for automotive purposes.

    Hydrogen is the very definition of a clean burning fuel. Alternatively can be used in cells to produce electricity with no combustion. The storage capacity vs weight is better than batteries. Probably the biggest advantage is the fact that you can fill your car a hell of a lot faster than charging a battery.

    This is Hyundai's entry into the market, and they point out that it has better range and only a 5 minute fill-up compared to a Tesla:

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/8/16...v-car-ces-2018

    Toyota and Honda are launching their hydrogen cars in Canada shortly as well
    Gasoline car gets in a serious accident = possible fire that burns part or all of the car over a few minutes.
    Electric car gets in a serious accident = possible extremely hot fire that can spontaneously re-ignite numerous times over the next month
    Hydrogen car gets in a serious accident = no fire, just a huge explosion that leaves a crater and possibly kills everybody near it. Can be started with a simple static charge and leaking fuel. Lol

    Actually the problem will be the same as natural gas in that it takes cryogenic temperatures to liquify hydrogen. Highly compressed vapour doesn't even come close in capacity as the same in liquid form.
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    I think most any stored energy system big enough to power a car is going to have the potential to be dangerous.

    Hydrogen has a bit of a bad wrap, it actually isn't as dangerous as people think:
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.comp...burgs.amp.html
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...omous-vehicles

    Wow, I did not realize EV's were still so unprofitable. This, combined with Tesla starting to circle the drain.

    Wonder if a glut of poorly designed and implemented EV's before their time will kill the industry for years to come?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiTempguy1 View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...omous-vehicles

    Wow, I did not realize EV's were still so unprofitable. This, combined with Tesla starting to circle the drain.

    Wonder if a glut of poorly designed and implemented EV's before their time will kill the industry for years to come?
    About 10 or so pages back, I had calculated when EVs would become profitable. Something like 2026 if battery costs continue it's rate of decline. Until then, every entry level EV will be either a money loser, or have shit range because of small battery. GM Bolt loses something like $10k/car for GM. High end EVs are the only segment where you can make money today but that's a tiny segment.

    In other Tesla news, stock price has gone up quite a bit since the shareholder meeting. Missed out on that when Elon did a 360 and talked completely rationally like old Elon, and pushed the dream forward. I think Q2 will be another financial disaster for the company, they're building cars outdoors now to try to hit their 5k/week goal. Model 3 will still be negative margin, losing money for every one they sold. If I had more balls, I would be shorting them at the end of this month prior to their Q2 earnings. Elon Musk seems to be setting up excuses for a potential miss as well. Everyone is focused on the 5K/week target, when Elon says they need 10K/week for the Model 3 to be profitable (that could be misdirection I guess). Lots of bonds maturing in the next 8-9 months as well.
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