Tesla Motors

[ercchry]

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Then buy a full sized one this time.

Combined city and highway for my AMG over the 6,000km I have driven it has been 17L/100. Good chunk highway.

I’m practically a Tesla owner, I plan my week around fillups.

Damn! The M does about that... but like 90% city... saw around 10L/100kms once on the highway when I got stuck in traffic when there was a blizzard

[Darkane]

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Well in Alberta, you’re just shifting the inefficiency elsewhere. Maybe not in your case depending on how much solar you’re using but for most people it’s shifted upstream. Electricity generation here is in the 30% range for efficiency similar to an ICE. Then there’s transmission losses of around 15% to your door, then another 20% loss in charging. If you don’t drive much, there’s more losses in battery storage.

It’s all a balancing act. Gasoline is easy to transport, offers much higher energy density, and suffers no energy loss in storage. It’s a more efficient medium from a consumers point of view. ICEs these days are as efficient if not more efficient than electricity generation from fossil fuels.

Combined cycle power generation can get up to 60%. GE has the record for combined efficiency of over 62%.

It’s quite reasonable. Cheap gas as the fuel, or better yet digester gas (waste products gases), or landfill gas.

Both of those can be blended with natural gas and indirectly (not really measurable) increase efficiency even more.


Don’t get me wrong, electric cars are still not a god send for consumption or pollution, but are better.

I’m an O&G guy so I’d rather the inevitable sort of ease it’s way into society with mild hybrids. Not full out EVs. That’s not realistic.

[benyl]

changing the world!

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/15/tech...deo/index.html

[Darell_n]

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changing the world!

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/15/tech...deo/index.html

Toyota already towed the 292,000 lb Space Shuttle. An 80hp tractor could have done it at idle.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

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changing the world!

http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/15/tech...deo/index.html

Tesla does a thing that has been previously accomplished by a large, strong person, media immediately fellates them.

[ercchry]

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Toyota already towed the 292,000 lb Space Shuttle. An 80hp tractor could have done it at idle.

dont "strong men" often do that too?

[ExtraSlow]

If we're going to be impressed at the towing, test it to SAE J2807 standards like everyone else and publish that capability.

[rage2]

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If we're going to be impressed at the towing, test it to SAE J2807 standards like everyone else and publish that capability.

There's probably more important standardized tests they should test against first, maybe something as important as say AEB Euro NCAP tests. With how many rear end accidents happening lately at full speed without AEB doing anything, probably a good idea not to test with them just yet.

[Xtrema]

Models 3 has longer stop distance than F150.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/22/...-promises-fix/

[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

You should read the Edmunds long term review. That one is comically brutal.

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...erm-road-test/

[Xtrema]

So who is going to pick up the pieces when Elon runs out of cash after the summer/fall?

Apple? Tencent? pennies on the dollar?

[killramos]

Ford, when they realize the future needs a line of smaller cars

[Xtrema]

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Ford, when they realize the future needs a line of smaller cars

With what?

I think Apple should be a good match. Tesla users and Apple users are basically the same. Both love propitiatory standards that doesn't share with the rest of industry. Both operate in a my way or the highway mentality. If Apple can acquire it for $20-$30B, they have enough cash to keep Tesla around to finish all planned future projects (which estimate to cost $10B).

Apple gain all the cars that will double as datapoints for Apple Maps to improve it, plus all the data that Tesla has collected so far for Apple's own autonomous car initiatives and it may actually help Elon out to finally catch up on the autonomous race.

The user base will be just as loyal.

What else is Apple going to do with $280B burning in their pocket.

[rage2]

There is so much liability in purchasing Tesla prior to a bankruptcy thanks to the overpromise to their customers. Nobody's going to touch Tesla unless all those liabilities are wiped off the books, which means post bankruptcy. If I was Apple, I'd buy the remnants of Tesla for the IP, partner with someone like Magna Steyr for redesign and production to address all the quality issues, integrate their self driving stack, and sell it as the Apple Car. Provide legacy Tesla owners support at a fair cost to keep early adopters happy, but essentially EOL the existing products. Apple tried to build their own cars, but recognized the problems and lack of experience right off the bat, cancelled the car project, and solely focused on self driving technologies.

Really, that's what Tesla should've done from the start, leverage and outsource design and production to someone that knows WTF they're doing and actually make money. Once the S/X were successful, then take all the lessons learnt with your partner, design the 3 with them, and roll out production of the 3 that way in your own lines at Fremont. Model Y? Take all those lessons, and design/production all in house. Not enough capital to build another production line? Leverage and outsource again. That's how you scale up without running out of money, and running into non stop problems.

This is how even the big manufactures do things. When there's a lack of production capacity, guys like Magna Steyr fill the gap and build cars for manufacturers. You have to be absolutely insane to invest billions in new production lines during ramp up of new models. Take a look at the cars that they've built.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Steyr

Of course, Tesla won't do that. They need to disrupt!

[killramos]

Tesla really did essentially throw away what amounted to infinite demand for their Products. I don’t think if I went to try and buy one today there are any stock of any of the 3 models. Regardless of price.

Trying to sell cars to poor people is what broke them.

As for with what? Ford could easily buy Tesla out of bankruptcy, they would have no issue raising capital.

You don’t actually need a money pile to buy a company.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Of course, Tesla won't do that. They need to disrupt!

You can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs Rage!

[Xtrema]

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As for with what? Ford could easily buy Tesla out of bankruptcy, they would have no issue raising capital.

You don’t actually need a money pile to buy a company.

Their share holders already lost their mind on the no cars in NA decision.


Although like Bill Ford said, it's just bad press/fake news.

[killramos]

All the more reason to sell Tesla’s as their small cars division.

[benyl]

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Trying to sell cars to poor people is what broke them.

Not really. Their attempt to break with 100 years of innovation by trying to invent a new way to build a car is what broke them.

Trying a new way to start up a production line on your volume car with small margins isn't a good gamble. They tried to save time and money on the 3. They gambled and lost.

All these "geniuses" fuck up from time to time. Jobs project "Lisa" was a massive fail. Model 3 is a massive fail for Musk. What you going to do?