Tesla Motors

[npham]

I don't ask for much when it comes to where my car is built, as long as it has four walls...

I'm surprised they are not breaking some labour laws when the temps rise, since these tents are clearly not climate controlled.

[ExtraSlow]

Investors ask for two things, information and confidence. Tesla currently provides neither.

If they can increase the weekly build rate from here without any setbacks that will be very positive. Of they have achieved a one week peak through some unsustainable methods, that's worrisome.


I honestly hope they succeed, but I'm a skeptic.

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I am neither a supporter or hater or Tesla, but my thoughts:

Some of the most expensive restorations, in example the Bugatti Aerolithe the guild of Automotive Restorers did. Was it built in a super clean room like current NSXs are?

Doubt it.

There is nothing inherently wrong with building a car in a tent partially exposed to the elements and by hand. There is a problem mass manufacturing cars by hand partially exposed to the elements. The whole point of mass manufacturing is to eliminate variable factors to minimize time and cost, and have accurate and consistent production costs, quality and speed.

Even when you look at manufactures that build their cars “by hand”, it’s all marketing fluff. Examples such as AMG engines or Bentley’s are all machine assisted hand building, no different than assembling LEGO but with machines verifying every single assembly step. Rolls Royce final assembly is probably as close as you’re going to get to hand built these days, and that’s the final assembly step like Tesla is doing in the tent. The difference is RR would be spending 50x the amount of time per car to get panel gaps and other alignment absolutely perfect. The complete opposite of mass manufacturing as they only pump out a couple thousand cars a year. A tent manual assembly line to mass manufacture 5k, 10k a year is just insanity.

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[CorvetteMusic]

This stock is like Chipotle.... so damn smart to buy during a dip

[blownz]

Really sucks to be a Tesla fan in Canada.

Most cars in Canada sell for 5-15% more than the same model in the US. Yet the same model Tesla costs 30% or more in Canada. I am surprised so many people can justify the huge premium here.

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Really sucks to be a Tesla fan in Canada.

Most cars in Canada sell for 5-15% more than the same model in the US. Yet the same model Tesla costs 30% or more in Canada. I am surprised so many people can justify the huge premium here.

Well in Ontario there's a $15k rebate that makes it hurt less. BC has a smaller rebate, but people have fuck you money anyways and DGAF. It's all about saving the environment. If AB rolls out a big rebate program that applies to Tesla's, I'll bet you that there will be a surge of sales here too. Of course being in socialist AB there's no way they'd rebate Tesla's for the rich.

There's a kajillion Model 3's in Vancouver when I was there this weekend. They're everywhere haha.

edit - Looks like Ontario's rebate just went away.

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Well in Ontario there's a $15k rebate that makes it hurt less. BC has a smaller rebate, but people have fuck you money anyways and DGAF. It's all about saving the environment. If AB rolls out a big rebate program that applies to Tesla's, I'll bet you that there will be a surge of sales here too. Of course being in socialist AB there's no way they'd rebate Tesla's for the rich.

There's a kajillion Model 3's in Vancouver when I was there this weekend. They're everywhere haha.

correction: * people in van and TO have access to way too much equity in their homes

[flipstah]

I think a Model 3 would look great slammed to the ground.

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[killramos]

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Model 3 would look good if you removed all of the body panels, welded on a spoiler, and dropped in a V8.

Hmmmm, I kind of want to make a gas guzzling Telsa now? Any busted up ones from those coffee shop accidents kicking around?

Make sure it has carbs too.

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Model 3 would look good if you removed all of the body panels, welded on a spoiler, and dropped in a V8.

Hmmmm, I kind of want to make a gas guzzling Telsa now? Any busted up ones from those coffee shop accidents kicking around?

There's a bunch of flooded Tesla's out and about. I saw some dude on YouTube rebuilding one.

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Make sure it has carbs too.

Lmao Weber or bust, bruh

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and dropped in a V8.

You can hate Tesla all you want, but knocking their drivetrain makes absolutely zero sense. Their battery and drivetrain package work extremely well, one of the best drivetrain I've driven, EV or ICE.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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You can hate Tesla all you want, but knocking their drivetrain makes absolutely zero sense. Their battery and drivetrain package work extremely well, one of the best drivetrain I've driven, EV or ICE.

Agreed. The rest of the car is garbage, their manufacturing is garbage, the company is relatively garbage, but the moving parts are impressive. Musk needs a partnership with someone who knows wtf they are doing and how to build a car. He should purely be the hype man at this point. And keep making rockets.

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Well in Ontario there's a $15k rebate that makes it hurt less. BC has a smaller rebate, but people have fuck you money anyways and DGAF. It's all about saving the environment. If AB rolls out a big rebate program that applies to Tesla's, I'll bet you that there will be a surge of sales here too. Of course being in socialist AB there's no way they'd rebate Tesla's for the rich.

There's a kajillion Model 3's in Vancouver when I was there this weekend. They're everywhere haha.

edit - Looks like Ontario's rebate just went away.

I should have just mentioned Alberta. And the price difference is worse if you consider federal and possibly state rebates in the US. I get FU money when it comes to the model S and X, but with the 3, that is going to mostly be the wannabe rich that are already stretched pretty thin driving entry level German cars and 3 is a pretty big premium compared to those cars.

To be honest I am surprised the Federal government hasn't set up a rebate yet for electric cars and same with our NDP provincial government. I wouldn't expect them to rebate the S or X, but the 3, bolt, leaf and others I thought would have had something by now.

[killramos]

What’s a little debt when you are SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT.

To get a better assessment of the headspace of the average Vancouver dweller, go read the comments of the news article about the greenpeace idiots dangling off the bridge to stop tankers. Those people genuinely think if another gas car hits the road the world will literally end. Vancouver is flooded in koolaid.

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[googe]

What, nobody is talking about the big news? We only post when we are shitting on Tesla?

5000 a week! He actually hit his milestone!

[killramos]

I thought it was pretty well established that Elon was going to fudge to numbers to touch that goal on a burst basis.

Probably left 4900 cars on the lot with a mirror missing and just installed them that week.

[Xtrema]

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What, nobody is talking about the big news? We only post when we are shitting on Tesla?

5000 a week! He actually hit his milestone!

7000 if you include S and X.

But....

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/30/1...t-robots-welds

According to the Times, Tesla executives approved an idea from the company’s engineers to have robots make about 300 fewer “unnecessary” welds in order to save time on production.

Meanwhile, the WSJ says in its factory tour report that Tesla spent between $80 million and $90 million in an “automated warehouse system” that was supposed to send parts to specific workstations around the factory. When the gambit ultimately failed, parts of that conveyor system became some of the “scrap” Tesla used to create the assembly line under the tent outdoors.

“While we have performed extensive internal testing on the products we manufacture, we currently have a limited frame of reference by which to evaluate detailed long-term quality, reliability, durability and performance characteristics of our battery packs, powertrains, vehicles and energy storage products,” the company wrote. “There can be no assurance that we will be able to detect and fix any defects in our products prior to their sale to or installation for consumers.”

$90M Scrap

Unnecessary welds

No assurance to detect and fix any defects.... oh because there is no checks at all.

http://fortune.com/2018/07/04/tesla-...st-skip-stock/

Business Insider reported Tuesday that, according to internal documents it had seen, Musk asked factory engineers to stop performing a “brake and roll” test on the Model 3s a few days before the deadline for finally producing 5,000 cars in a week, as promised to investors.

The Q2 numbers better be stellar at this point. The fact they let NYT and WSJ in after calling them fake news for weeks points to another funding round coming.