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Book a court date a week or a few days before the ticket is due. Request a disclosure (you fax the form to the Prosecutor's office) and maybe the cop has a video of you "speeding". The evidence might be to your advantage.
Do you plan on fighting for 0 demerits, 0 fines? or would you be okay with it being reduced to 2 or 3 demerits and lower fine?
If the former, then wait a week, then take your ticket to court and plead not guilty and request for disclosure. Then, share with us all the details on your ticket when you receive that information. It takes awhile to get sometimes, but when you are speaking to crown, you can look at ticket and/or they will read out the officer's notes and you can jot it down to get an idea of what you are facing. Hard to offer advice on how to defend against ticket without knowing all the details.
If you are okay with reduction, then you will be offered that when you plead not guilty at the counter and speak to the crown. You are not obligated to accept any offer.
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thanksOriginally posted by Disoblige
Book a court date a week or a few days before the ticket is due. Request a disclosure (you fax the form to the Prosecutor's office) and maybe the cop has a video of you "speeding". The evidence might be to your advantage.
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Or, if you don't mind paying someone to take care of it for you, just go to the guys at ppoints. Used them a couple times with great success
Man that dash cam would be so good. Is that admissible in court?
Man that's gay if you were going 70 and he put you down for 90, assuming you are telling the truth haha
No need for points on this one, op can go and strike a deal first. For all he knows the officer might not have a case and not even submit the ticket which was what happened recently to an og member I know
I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
Not to pick on you, but if you didn't intend to speed, and you sped up to 10 over, you aren't exactly a defensive driver. I'm all about speeding, but it isn't shocking to get pulled over if you accelerate "much faster" than the cars beside you.Originally posted by colt22
I was stopped at a red light at 90th ave SE heading north on macleod. I was in the far right lane. When the light turned green I overtook the car in both the far left and middle lanes as I got into the far left lane to prepare to exit onto heritage drive west. The conditions were slippery/snowy. I got up to (+/- 10km/h) the speed limit which was 60km/h and just cruised. Right at that point I get pulled over before I reach Heritage Dr. and was issued a ticket for 'unreasonable speed'. I was clocked on an estimation of speed at 90km/h!!!!
I was accelerating at a much faster pace then the two cars I overtook which may of given the cop the impression I was speeding.
I am going to fight the ticket but how can I prove the cop's estimation was ridiculous? This ticket is 4 demerits which is insane given the circumstances. I have never been in an accident or have gotten any tickets for stunting or anything endangering the public like the cop made me feel like I was doing. I consider myself an extremely defensive driver. I was not intending to speed at all at this point.
As for the estimated speed, you should win in court, or at least get it reduced, especially if you admit to speeding but at a lower rate. Last estimated speed ticket I got was dropped without me even trying to fight it, but that was in B.C.
I had an estimated ticket a couple years ago on Deerfoot. I was the 5pm rush at approaching Southland, so it was a parking lot. I has a estimated speed of 160km/h. Took it to points and got it reduced to 140km/h which was a complete farce. HID's, being lowered, and big rims make you a huge target. Fastest I was going was maybe 80km/h. I'll never forget it because he pulled me and another guy over who I flagged down afterwards and he was equally confused as I was. Both got written up for 160km/h in bumper to bumper? Impossibru. Went to Pointts, didn't really do anything for me and still had to pay the $400 ticket and the $450 for Pointts. NOT WORTH IT.
Just because the police have no evidence and their "estimates" are bullshit doesn't mean you can have faith in the traffic courts. You will be guilty regardless.
Originally posted by Arash
Im not an idiot...
You didn't get a speeding ticket, you got a ticket for driving at speed that is unreasonable for the road conditions. You accelerated to +/-10 km of the speed limit, which to me says you were exceeding it and won't admit it, on slippery and snowy roads, in order to make a lane change in front of other drivers from the far right lane to the far left - so you may have exceeded the speed limit by 15%, give or take, on shitty roads, on a roadway that becomes a down slope towards Heritage, and may have been cruising over the speed limit. I don't think that's insane given the circumstances, and obviously their view on the matter was it was inappropriate given the weather.Originally posted by colt22
I was stopped at a red light at 90th ave SE heading north on macleod. I was in the far right lane. When the light turned green I overtook the car in both the far left and middle lanes as I got into the far left lane to prepare to exit onto heritage drive west. The conditions were slippery/snowy. I got up to (+/- 10km/h) the speed limit which was 60km/h and just cruised. Right at that point I get pulled over before I reach Heritage Dr. and was issued a ticket for 'unreasonable speed'. I was clocked on an estimation of speed at 90km/h!!!!
I was accelerating at a much faster pace then the two cars I overtook which may of given the cop the impression I was speeding.
I am going to fight the ticket but how can I prove the cop's estimation was ridiculous? This ticket is 4 demerits which is insane given the circumstances. I have never been in an accident or have gotten any tickets for stunting or anything endangering the public like the cop made me feel like I was doing. I consider myself an extremely defensive driver. I was not intending to speed at all at this point.
Whatever the estimated you at doesn't entirely matter, it's the totality of the circumstances.
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That's interesting actually. Do police cars have dash cams yet? All of them? would be interesting to see it presented at court instead of his words vs OP.Originally posted by phil98z24
You didn't get a speeding ticket, you got a ticket for driving at speed that is unreasonable for the road conditions. You accelerated to +/-10 km of the speed limit, which to me says you were exceeding it and won't admit it, on slippery and snowy roads, in order to make a lane change in front of other drivers from the far right lane to the far left. I'm willing to bet they saw something that caused them to believe you weren't driving commensurate with the road conditions, and you were dinged for it.
Whatever the estimated you at doesn't entirely matter, it's the totality of the circumstances.
It's something I do at the lights in winter all the time. I always move to the open lane. I know I have winter tires, I know I have AWD, I know when the light goes green I have no problem moving forward lol vs getting stuck behind vehicles that are spinning their wheels.
I am user #49Originally posted by rage2
Shit, there's only 49 users here, I doubt we'll even break 100
Really? So if they notice you "driving dangerously" then they can just make up an estimated speed and give a speeding ticket? Seems to me that they should pursue the illegal act that they witnessed and ticket accordingly? If I accelerate faster than a 99 y/o grandma and signal properly, move over, and proceed to complete my legal turn, then am I driving dangerously for road conditions? Or is the grandma...?Originally posted by phil98z24
You didn't get a speeding ticket, you got a ticket for driving at speed that is unreasonable for the road conditions. You accelerated to +/-10 km of the speed limit, which to me says you were exceeding it and won't admit it, on slippery and snowy roads, in order to make a lane change in front of other drivers from the far right lane to the far left. I'm willing to bet they saw something that caused them to believe you weren't driving commensurate with the road conditions, and you were dinged for it.
Whatever the estimated you at doesn't entirely matter, it's the totality of the circumstances.
No doubt this guy was speeding, but your reply is weird. I could be misinterpreting things bit it looks like you condone giving someone a ticket for something else just because they "deserved" it. Dangerous attitude for a cop IMO.
All our cars will soon have them, and yes that will go a long way with these and many other charges.Originally posted by max_boost
That's interesting actually. Do police cars have dash cams yet? All of them? would be interesting to see it presented at court instead of his words vs OP.
It's something I do at the lights in winter all the time. I always move to the open lane. I know I have winter tires, I know I have AWD, I know when the light goes green I have no problem moving forward lol vs getting stuck behind vehicles that are spinning their wheels.
Wow, what did I say in the first sentence of my reply? IT'S NOT A SPEEDING TICKET. I then went on to explain why it's different and what it means to receive the ticket he received and why they may have given it to him, and said nothing about whether it was deserved or not. It was an educated opinion on the facts. I also said it is about totality of circumstances in that given case, and your scenario is nothing but a lame attempt to crap on me.Originally posted by GTS4tw
Really? So if they notice you "driving dangerously" then they can just make up an estimated speed and give a speeding ticket? Seems to me that they should pursue the illegal act that they witnessed and ticket accordingly? If I accelerate faster than a 99 y/o grandma and signal properly, move over, and proceed to complete my legal turn, then am I driving dangerously for road conditions? Or is the grandma...?
No doubt this guy was speeding, but your reply is weird. I could be misinterpreting things bit it looks like you condone giving someone a ticket for something else just because they "deserved" it. Dangerous attitude for a cop IMO.
And you're damn right you are misinterpreting it, I didn't say ANYTHING remotely close to condoning handing out a ticket because someone "deserved" it. I reviewed the circumstances as I saw them, felt it wasn't entirely "insane" as the OP put it, and said their view was that it was inappropriate.
Did I say it was right, or agree with it? No, I didn't. Nor did I say this charge is to just punish people because we feel like giving them a ticket for something. I can't possibly see how you came to that conclusion from anything I said.
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I agree with the spirit of the law but that just leaves too much room for the interpretation of the individual at the time.
So if you don't act like the people around you, you must be doing something wrong? Speeding is pretty black and white. What is driving too fast for the condition? Does he appear to be out of control, fish-tailling all over the place? Sure. Sliding across an intersection trying to stop, sure. Faster than the people around him, not so sure.
We don't know the specifics of this ticket but I wouldn't mind knowing what exactly would warrant such ticket.
Which is exactly why I said they saw something that led them to believe it wasn't an appropriate speed for the road conditions. There is usually more to it than just speed.Originally posted by lilmira
I agree with the spirit of the law but that just leaves too much room for the interpretation of the individual at the time.
So if you don't act like the people around you, you must be doing something wrong? Speeding is pretty black and white. What is driving too fast for the condition? Does he appear to be out of control, fish-tailling all over the place? Sure. Sliding across an intersection trying to stop, sure. Faster than the people around him, not so sure.
We don't know the specifics of this ticket but I wouldn't mind knowing what exactly would warrant such ticket.
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Yet you gassed it harder than most people off the light.Originally posted by colt22
I consider myself an extremely defensive driver.
They probably pegged you prior to the intersection. You didn't see them. They were running your plates while at the intersection. You take off, they toss the lights on.
Just because you weren't speeding when you saw them doesn't mean they didn't peg you earlier and were just seeing what other bone headed moves you'd pull for them to ticket you with.
That technically is defensive driving. Get away from all the idiots around you by accelerating faster than them and staying ahead haha.Originally posted by mr2mike
Yet you gassed it harder than most people off the light.
Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
I have gone above and beyond what I should rightfully have to do to protect my good name
Go to the Calgary Court Center 2nd floor and speak to the Justice of the Peace counter. The address should be on your ticket. Say you want to plead not-guilty and they will book a court date. After that, you can ask them for a disclosure form. You will fill that form out and fax it to the number on the sheet. A couple days to a week later, they should call you saying your disclosure is ready to be picked up at the Prosecutor's office (not at Court Center). You can review what evidence they have against you.Originally posted by colt22
Thanks Disbolidge. I didn't know I could do either of those things. How do I book a court date?
If you want to just get a reduced ticket, you go the the Court Center, but instead of saying not guilty, you would say you want to get it reduced. It'll probably be reduced to a 2 demerit, $172.00 ticket if you're lucky.
The thing is, you can book a court date and choose to get it reduced at a later time if you decide a week or 2 before the court date that you don't want it to go to court.
So true @ Crowchild/24ave, if you ain't first, you are last lol.Originally posted by rage2
That technically is defensive driving. Get away from all the idiots around you by accelerating faster than them and staying ahead haha.
This interpretation of "too fast for conditions" is concerning... IF I drive the speed limit in snowy conditions, whether someone thinks its too fast or not, why does that warrant a ticket? If the officer is white knuckled trying to catch me driving comfortably, am I dangerous or is he?
Like colt22 for example... He was dangerous, driving too fast, unsafe, 90km/h estimated speed etc... The officer had to drive faster / more aggressive than colt to catch him. 2 Wrongs don't make a right (i know, i know, bring the heat) and if the officer could safely catch him by going faster, was Colt22, in fact, going too fast for the conditions?
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But how can someone defend against a charge like this? It's not just the cop's word against yours, but the cop doesn't seem to have to even be specific.Originally posted by phil98z24
Which is exactly why I said they saw something that led them to believe it wasn't an appropriate speed for the road conditions. There is usually more to it than just speed.
"I thought he was driving a little too fast for my liking" = conviction?