Whats..."failing to provide sufficent room to manouver?"

[TheStigz]

My wife got a ticket after a 4 car pile up.
Seems the cop wrote everyone a ticket involved in the accident.
She rear ended someone and got rear ended as well. The cop wrote this on the ticket "Failure to provide sufficent room to manouver" under section 2a. $110
I know this proably means following to closley? is that where the demerit scale would be following to closley? 4 Demerits?

Anyhoo.. will be going to court for a ticket reduction.

Thank you fellas.

[CanmoreOrLess]

How does one prove or disprove she was too close to the vehicle in front? She was rear ended (this assumes she was vehicle #2 or #3), vehicle #1 is free and clear, vehicle #4 in accident chain is 100% at fault for certain. This leaves vehicles #2 and #3 as needing a witness or better yet a dash cam? Nail all who are without winter tires double the demerit points and sort it from there...

[G]

Was she stopped when she was rear ended? If so I think it has to do with stopping too close to the vehicle in front.

[TheStigz]

She was stopped and rear ended.

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by TheStigz
She was stopped and rear ended.

And then pushed into the car in front?

Or she hit the car in front, stopped, and then got hit from behind?

[Kijho]

If she was stopped, then read ended - fight the hell out of that ticket LOL fuck that.

[DeleriousZ]

I'm pretty sure even if you're stopped, get rear ended and go into the person in front of you and rear end them, you can still get some blame from it. I'm talking out of my ass tho so don't take any of it seriously.

[heavyfuel]

Should write such tickets to fucktards who close the gap the second they see a signal light

[spikerS]

Originally posted by DeleriousZ
I'm pretty sure even if you're stopped, get rear ended and go into the person in front of you and rear end them, you can still get some blame from it. I'm talking out of my ass tho so don't take any of it seriously.

When I had my bad accident in the truck a few years back, I was rear ended twice while stopped at a red light. The force of the impact pushed me into the Audi in front of me, effectively rear ending them.

The only thing my insurance paid out on was section B benefits for physio and medical bills. Everything else was covered by the insurance of the people who rear ended me.

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by DeleriousZ
I'm pretty sure even if you're stopped, get rear ended and go into the person in front of you and rear end them, you can still get some blame from it. I'm talking out of my ass tho so don't take any of it seriously.

If your completely stopped, you should be off the hook. The tough part is proving any of it.

The stupid part is if you're slowing down, they assume you are going to rear end the person in front of you anyway.

Canadian justice, guilty until proven innocent.

[TheStigz]

Originally posted by CapnCrunch


And then pushed into the car in front?

Or she hit the car in front, stopped, and then got hit from behind?

She hit the car orignally, and than was rear ended and hit the car again.

[phil98z24]

With your last reply, I would venture to say it's because she failed to leave enough space to slow down or move out of the way in the event she needed to brake/emergency brake, causing her to rear end the vehicle in front of her. This is usually given in rear enders, because in most of them someone has failed to give consideration for road conditions (traffic, road surface, speed, etc) and has then neglected to leave enough space to move out of the way, stop, or otherwise maneuver their vehicle.

Just my two cents.

[FraserB]

Have fun with insurance on this mess, a lot will hinge on the statement of the driver she hit.

She should be responsible for the front end damage to her car and the rear end damage to the car she hit. The driver behind her should be responsible for the rear end damage on your car.

[firebane]

The problem is that when you are stopped you should still have adequate distance in front of you.

Now this doesn't always mean squat especially when the roads are like they are and you should be driving with even MORE due diligence and sounds like the vehicle which hit #2 was not driving accordingly.

[TheStigz]

So the question being..

would this be a following to close ticket thats priced at $175? just worded differently and priced differently.

also the section of the ticket is not 2a (My fault I was on the phone with her and mis-heard) Its 9(a)

Questioning on the demerits..and the ticket itself.. as the google search for this ticket is not existant. The following close is.. but the prices are completly different.

Insurance.. Oh God. helping her sort through this mess is difficult enough... They have to talk to all parties involved.. They said.. her front will be 50% covered by the guy who hit her and sent her car forward again.. What a nightmare.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by TheStigz
Insurance.. Oh God. helping her sort through this mess is difficult enough... They have to talk to all parties involved.. They said.. her front will be 50% covered by the guy who hit her and sent her car forward again.. What a nightmare.

Let me guess, PLPD only? Have fun with that.

If not, just talk to your own insurance company and let them sort it out over the next year or 2.

[revelations]

dashcam ... for next time

[Masked Bandit]

Originally posted by TheStigz
So the question being..

would this be a following to close ticket thats priced at $175? just worded differently and priced differently.

also the section of the ticket is not 2a (My fault I was on the phone with her and mis-heard) Its 9(a)

Questioning on the demerits..and the ticket itself.. as the google search for this ticket is not existant. The following close is.. but the prices are completly different.

Insurance.. Oh God. helping her sort through this mess is difficult enough... They have to talk to all parties involved.. They said.. her front will be 50% covered by the guy who hit her and sent her car forward again.. What a nightmare.

In the end she'll be stuck with A) a minor traffic ticket and B) an at-fault loss on her insurance. A 50/50 claim does her no good as it counts the same as a full blown 100% at fault anyway. Pay the ticket, move on. If she has full coverage on her car, let the adjusters deal with it. If she only has PLPD and the car is not driveable, the start looking for something else.

[Masked Bandit]

Originally posted by revelations
dashcam ... for next time

Why? To show that she ran into someone? If I'm reading the OP correctly, the girlfriend hit someone from behind and then was hit herself by a different vehicle.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by revelations
dashcam ... for next time

If someone hit you and as a result you hit someone, you are still at fault.