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Garland is facing 3 First Degree murder charges which mandates a 25 year sentence if convicted. I believe the 3 charges can be consecutively bound meaning he will never see the light of day. The evidence on day one is pretty damning. This POS needs to suffer in utter misery.
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Considering the death penalty is pointless, except when people want a revenge system, there are good reasons we don't have one.Originally posted by Kloubek
It is times like this that we truly need the death penalty.
Every time I hear about this case, I still get angry.
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Originally posted by FraserB
Considering the death penalty is pointless, except when people want a revenge system, there are good reasons we don't have one.
It's a punishment for those deemed unable to be rehabilitated. Not exactly pointless.
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It's not a deterrent to crime, costs more in the long term and depending on the crimes you apply capital sentences to, could cause more attacks to lead to death. In fact, the murder rate in non-death penalty states is lower than those with the death penalty.Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
It's a punishment for those deemed unable to be rehabilitated. Not exactly pointless.
The only "plus side" is that a decade or so after the trail and a bunch of appeals, a few people will feel good about the revenge the system took on an offender.
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DNA found on saw and meathooks?
Oh man, I hope this doesn't give me nightmares.
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You guys are getting your charges mixed up. If this was a preplanned event then it will be first degree murder.
The bus lunatic didn't plan killing anyone that day, the concrete truck driver didnt plan on running anyone over. Thats what makes the difference - as long as crown can prove intent, premeditated, motive, etc. - he will be behind bars for a long time if convicted of that.
Other than that, this guy deserves a "law abiding citizen" type of treatment.
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I'm confused by this, did some random plane just happen to fly over in the few hours or maybe day or two he left the bodys out?A mapping plane that flew over the property also took photographs that show three bodies in the grass, according to the Crown's opening statement.
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Purely random chance.Originally posted by JfuckinC
I'm confused by this, did some random plane just happen to fly over in the few hours or maybe day or two he left the bodys out?
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It was a company hired to photograph the area for whatever reason.
I think they had more than enough evidence as it is, but that's about as strong of circumstantial evidence I cam think of.
As far as what sentence he gets, I'll be the first to criticize the Canadian legal system for being far too light on criminals. In particular dangerous ones. But from what I can tell, there's pretty much zero chance of claiming he was insane. As such, I expect convictions and due to the heinous nature, maximum sentences.
If he was younger, I would say there was a chance he would see freedom again. But given his age, I'm almost positive he will die in jail.
As it should be. (Considering our lack of true justice in this country for such crimes)
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You're telling me that if those had been YOUR grandparents, you still think this guy deserves the right to live.Originally posted by FraserB
Considering the death penalty is pointless, except when people want a revenge system, there are good reasons we don't have one.
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If it was my kid I would have a hell of a time not putting him in the ground myself.
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This is exactly why we have society decide the punishment and not the victims. Otherwise we would be killing people for almost any crime because if it was my grandparents anyone that cons them, robs them, yells at them does not deserve the right to live.Originally posted by jwslam
You're telling me that if those had been YOUR grandparents, you still think this guy deserves the right to live.
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So the police did find the bodies? or no - i thought they had never been found. Any link to the article with these details.
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Ok - first of all, "society" is not deciding his fate. The justice system is. And I think that if you ask your average Canadian, he/she will tell you that the justice system tends to be flawed - in particular, in cases where someone was intentionally seriously scarred for life or killed. I know people who aren't even generally for the death penalty at all, but agree that this is a case where it would be appropriate.Originally posted by Stuart
This is exactly why we have society decide the punishment and not the victims. Otherwise we would be killing people for almost any crime because if it was my grandparents anyone that cons them, robs them, yells at them does not deserve the right to live.
Second, nobody is saying that it should be "open season" to do whatever you want to whoever you want for whatever reason. However, in this case, if the family had an opportunity to take this guy out, I for one would be happy to turn a blind eye, and I believe most Calgarians would feel the same - even if they generally don't support such vigilantism.
Finally, for me, if he had just killed the grandfather I would view it as any other serious crime and would be happy to have typical justice (as it is) served. The fact he killed the wife too (even though he didn't have a serious beef with her) says to me that this guy is on a higher level of dangerous - likely with some level of serious personality disorder.
But to kill the child as well? That takes it to the maximum level for me. To me this indicates he's likely a sociopath, psychopath, or both. A normal person simply *couldn't* kill an innocent child for their own gain - let alone such a petty one. Had the mother and her other son still been in the house, they probably would have been killed as well.
Garland was simply void of humanity as he went about his mission. I don't believe that level of evil can ever be rectified. So what purpose could keeping him alive possibly have for society, or even himself? He's a completely lost cause. You can take emotions completely out of it and see that he has no purpose to live. And once you factor in emotions, it is a pretty compelling case to put him down.
There are no bodies left. Looks like he cut them up and burned them on this property.Originally posted by nzwasp
So the police did find the bodies? or no - i thought they had never been found. Any link to the article with these details.
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I would disagree with this as the justice system is put in place by the government which is put in place by Canadian citizens AKA society. If we as a society decided that increased penalties was a high enough priority we would be supporting candidates that had this platform. It is unfortunate that even though it seems that most people agree that sentencing in Canada tends to be too light the voting public just does not view it as a high priority.Originally posted by Kloubek
Ok - first of all, "society" is not deciding his fate. The justice system is.
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The real crappy part about all of this is that the surviving family won't feel better about the situation regardless of what might happen to the accused. For me, it wouldn't matter if he was dead or stayed in prison for the rest of his life as none of that would bring back my loved ones. The only real injustice would be the guy going free in 10 or 25 years as does happen in our system.
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Private mapping plane flew over July 1 & 2nd and took pictures clearly showing all 3 bodies. Just by a fluke. (Probably didn't even notice them among all the pics they took)Originally posted by nzwasp
So the police did find the bodies? or no - i thought they had never been found. Any link to the article with these details.
By the time police searched the farm they were gone. But bones, a tooth and other DNA found in his burn barrel by then.
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...and what party had this platform in the last election? How about the one prior? Or the one prior to that?Originally posted by Stuart
I would disagree with this as the justice system is put in place by the government which is put in place by Canadian citizens AKA society. If we as a society decided that increased penalties was a high enough priority we would be supporting candidates that had this platform.
I appreciate what you are saying, but it just doesn't work like that. Capital punishment might be the most contested idea that any political party could possibly support. Any party knows that the international outcry of a country like Canada possible "moving backwards" would kill any chance of getting elected.
Besides that, I do think the majority of Canadians don't, on a whole, support capital punishment. Because in the vast majority of serious crimes, they might stand by that decision. However, I've seen many people flip-flop on that stance as it pertains to this particular case.
I'm not sure if the family would or would not feel better to see this guy tortured or put down, and I'm not sure how you can say that either unless you have information that I do not. If it happened to me, I would like nothing more than to know that they were subjected to as much pain as possible to pay for their crime. In fact, it didn't happen to me and I'd still like nothing more than to know that. He deserves everything coming to him - no matter what it is.Originally posted by speedog
The real crappy part about all of this is that the surviving family won't feel better about the situation regardless of what might happen to the accused. For me, it wouldn't matter if he was dead or stayed in prison for the rest of his life as none of that would bring back my loved ones. The only real injustice would be the guy going free in 10 or 25 years as does happen in our system.
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Capital punishment may not be a deterrent...but it would cut down on repeat offenders. LOL
The one that boggles me is the news report that a lot of the break and enters recently are the result of a relatively few repeat offenders. One guy, with 300 convictions for B&E in his life, was caught on camera breaking into a house and arrested. He posted $1500 bail and was back on the street. How is an asshole like this allowed to be on the streets? The prosecutors should give him a list of judges home addresses and tell him how rich they are.
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