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    Default Dyno Carnage! ;)

    Hahahaha. Sort of. Not often I get to blow shit up "on purpose".....

    Had Nadine's and my Silvia on the dyno Friday at 3am lol. Quick back story.... We actually have good rods and good pistons on the shelf, but decided to use a stock motor instead, and see if we could break into the 8's after last years 9.4 half track pass with a stock motor (plus cams).

    Anyway, last year, at ~580rwhp, the car ran a couple 9'7's at 147mph, and the last run was 650rwhp, and a 9.4x letting off just past the 1/8th after destroying the powerglide transmission.

    Lots of myths and rumours about the famous 2jz, and I don't do myth, I wanted fact.

    This years combo, 272 Crower custom grind cams, a stock intake whos pelnum I had enlarged, 70mm throttle body ford truck tbody, Turbonetics 75mm turbo, EBAY cast exhaust "log" manifold and wastegate. Garrett 4.5" thick intercooler. Bottom end is stock, except ring gaps opened up generously, and a hand hone of the cylinders (we were re-using rings from another motor)....

    Within the third pull, it was making 700rwph through the auto. It was at this point I KNEW it would run 8's, so we decided to turn it up.

    750, 790, 840... 902RWHP!

    The 902 rwhp run was interesting. At about 35 psi, the motor came on wicked strong, and the power curve went to 902 by about 5800 rpm, then dropped about 100hp to around 800 at 6300. I rode out the run, and it hovered around 800 till 7500.

    We stopped briefly checked plugs, scratched our heads, and then made another pull. And at the magic number of 666.4 rwhp during this run, the motor kicked a rod out the block and oil pan.

    This was on race fuel, no attempt was made to cripple the tune with retarded timing etc. Just wanted to see what it was good for, timing was very close to MBT and monitoring calculated CA50, AF was proper.... etc

    Anyway, after dissassembly, we made this little meme



    You will notice 4 bent rods, a destroyed rod and piston. I am willing to bet, the point the motor dropped 100hp was when the rods bent, and the last run finished it off.

    As the rods bent, the crank counterweight smacked the piston skirts (due to reduced clearance), and clearanced them lol, and I suspect the last one bent a bot more, and broke everything when it hit.

    Bearings are MINT, and probably re usable.

    The pistons ARE strong for a casting. Except for skirts where crnak hit, no damage, ringlands intact. They have a 8mm steel "cooling" coil cast within the piston top, they have lots of weight and material in the top. If you picture the valve relief edge, and the back of the top ring groove, they actually have more meat in that area than a CP piston I saw recently, and our current Probe's.

    The rods are "ok". Here is a shot of the 2jz rods, next to the L33 rods from a junkyard 5.3l motor.



    The Crank is nothing short of awesome.

    Doing some math based on fuel flow, the power where the rods failed was somewhere around 1140 Crank HP, and at such a low rpm means LOTS of torque and cylinder pressure working on them at that point. Killing torque at this point with retarded timing could extend the power they are good to slightly.... but they would not last long anyway lol. In case you are curious, 1140 crank hp in a 2600 pound car is good for ~174mph quarter mile trap speeds. Insane actually.



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    LOL holy shit you grenaded those pistons awesomely! Good job.

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    Pop one of those pistons in a band saw and cut the fucker in half. See how much meat is there.

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    Awesome post. Pushing the limits is what I like to see. The pictures and details make it even better.

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    Originally posted by Sentry
    Pop one of those pistons in a band saw and cut the fucker in half. See how much meat is there.
    For sure. Oh. And the head is fine! Woot! Only part I was kinda worried about.

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    ... And I did re coat the pistons though. I always 'soften' my piston tops, and the 2 jz is factory coated, so I re did them in my toaster oven. Not bad. Lasted last year and now, no sign of flaking or anything.

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    Jesus that is wild. What a beast..
    Originally posted by rage2
    Of course, a perfectly good explanation is boring, so the answer is, it's fucking voodoo.

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    Seeing 5/6 of the engines rods bent or ruined like that is pretty astonishing really.

    Love the no-nonsense approach to myth-busting.

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    Interesting.
    I like neat cars.

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    That's the perfect tune for guys who live their lives a quarter mile at a time.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    That's pretty impressive! And the meme is AWESOME!

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    Ha! Just saw this now...no wonder you weren't able to make it out for the rental.

    That's some pretty impressive power...that means the car will fly when the new motor with the good rods and pistons gets dropped in!

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    I just took the bottom end of mine apart, and the #4 main cap is welded to the crank, but not nearly as awesome as your destruction.

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    Are you still just tuning Toma or have you gotten into the engine building too? If not, who do you get to build your customers' engines, what's the average price and turn around time? How have been their experiences?
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    Yup... Lol. That's why I never brought it to Edmonton.

    Engines. I check and assemble my own. Always have. This was a tail gate rebuild on the back of my truck.all stock used parts. Just opened up ring gaps, and gave the walls a generous hand hone.

    When I need machine work, I use D&w. Lol. Over 20 years now.

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    Originally posted by Toma
    Yup... Lol. That's why I never brought it to Edmonton.

    Engines. I check and assemble my own. Always have. This was a tail gate rebuild on the back of my truck.all stock used parts. Just opened up ring gaps, and gave the walls a generous hand hone.

    When I need machine work, I use D&w. Lol. Over 20 years now.
    They in town or Edmonton? How's their turn around time? Anyone else on the boards here use them? You think they'd pick up on someone else's job or just start from scratch?
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    I used to go to Precise but now go to D&W. They aren't way out in the boonies like Precise is, and just walking into the place it's obvious they're more performance oriented than just "rebuild" oriented.

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    Originally posted by LUDELVR


    They in town or Edmonton? How's their turn around time? Anyone else on the boards here use them? You think they'd pick up on someone else's job or just start from scratch?
    They are in Calgary. I haven't used them but several guys I know have...they all have positive things to say.

    Best bet is to call them up and ask them about your project.
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    +1 for D&W. not insane fast turnaround time, but the quality of the work speaks to the volume of stuff going through that shop.

    more domestic work than import it would seem by looking around the place, but not one of those shops that rolls their eyes at a honda motor coming in either. Trust me, I bring them in honda stuff.

    For machine work, D&W is my go to. Everything from boring blocks to resurfacing flywheels I give them my business. :thumbsup
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    Originally posted by 89s1
    +1 for D&W. not insane fast turnaround time, but the quality of the work speaks to the volume of stuff going through that shop.

    more domestic work than import it would seem by looking around the place, but not one of those shops that rolls their eyes at a honda motor coming in either. Trust me, I bring them in honda stuff.

    For machine work, D&W is my go to. Everything from boring blocks to resurfacing flywheels I give them my business. :thumbsup
    Well, if turn around time is in weeks as opposed to months or years, it might be a way to go! As well, I'm all about customer service too and if they know how to treat a customer than more than just a number, well that would mean I'd be a customer for life!
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